11-02-2009, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
She's a ****ed up kid. No one else has any reason to fear her unless they're related to her. I hope her life can be salvaged beyond simply keeping her locked away.
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Disagree, she's a monster with probable serious sociopathic issues. She didn't stand by and watch her boyfriend do the killing, she actively participated in the murders.
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11-02-2009, 04:31 PM
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She's not a threat to public safety right now. She has a chance. Comparing her to Olson or Dahmer is sensationalism at best, and completely ######ed and stupid at worst.
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11-02-2009, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
That will bring the murdered people back to life.
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No, but at least this way we can be sure she won't murder any more innocent people.
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11-02-2009, 04:34 PM
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I hope you never make a bad choice in the world you live in.
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11-02-2009, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
I hope you never make a bad choice in the world you live in.
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I hope you never have to deal with a family member being murdered.
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11-02-2009, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
I hope you never make a bad choice in the world you live in.
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A bad choice is wearing white socks with black shoes not murdering your family.
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Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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11-02-2009, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Disagree, she's a monster with probable serious sociopathic issues. She didn't stand by and watch her boyfriend do the killing, she actively participated in the murders.
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Exactly! Yet some here want her released back into society.
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11-02-2009, 04:39 PM
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Murdering your family is a bad choice. Unless you're suggesting she had no choice in the matter?
She was convicted for the crime and continues to serve time. But I hope society can offer her a chance at a life beyond that.
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11-02-2009, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
She was convicted for the crime and continues to serve time. But I hope society can offer her a chance at a life beyond that.
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You could offer her a place to stay in your home when she gets out. Would you do that?
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11-02-2009, 04:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
Murdering your family is a bad choice. Unless you're suggesting she had no choice in the matter?
She was convicted for the crime and continues to serve time. But I hope society can offer her a chance at a life beyond that.
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And if she kills again? And kills a family member or a friend of yours?
Imagine waking up with the people you have loved all your life are gone because someone needed a second chance.
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Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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11-02-2009, 04:43 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
She's not a threat to public safety right now. She has a chance. Comparing her to Olson or Dahmer is sensationalism at best, and completely ######ed and stupid at worst.
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You do know that those two individuals didn't just pop into being right, they just didn't wake up in their adult years and decide to start killing.
This girl assisted in, helped plan and encouraged her boyfriend to help her off her family because she was angry that they didn't want her to date a 20 year old guy when she was 12.
Saying that she's showed the tendancies of other crazed killer is hardly ######ed and hardly stupid, especially considering the prosecutor stating that she wasn't making progress because she wasn't acknowledging what she did was wrong.
She shouldn't be getting rewarded 2 years into her sentence if she hasn't acknowledged the crime period.
I take it back, she's more along the lines of Karla Homolka, who has never shown remorse for murdering her sister among others.
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11-02-2009, 04:43 PM
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The mind is not fully formed at age 12. Perhaps this girl has a good chance of rehabilitation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Develop...gy#Adolescence
Adolescence is the period of life between the onset of puberty and the full commitment to an adult social role, such as worker, parent, and/or citizen. It is the period known for the formation of personal and social identity (see Erik Erikson) and the discovery of moral purpose (see William Damon). Intelligence is demonstrated through the logical use of symbols related to abstract concepts and formal reasoning. A return to egocentric thought often occurs early in the period. Only 35% develop the capacity to reason formally during adolescence or adulthood. (Huitt, W. and Hummel, J. January 1998)[13]
The adolescent subconsciously explores questions such as "Who am I? Who do I want to be?" Like toddlers, adolescents must explore, test limits, become autonomous, and commit to an identity, or sense of self. Different roles, behaviors and ideologies must be tried out to select an identity. Role confusion and inability to choose vocation can result from a failure to achieve a sense of identity.
Last edited by troutman; 11-02-2009 at 04:47 PM.
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11-02-2009, 04:44 PM
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Well the medical experts seem to think it's safe and they're on a roll as far as risk communication goes at the moment ... 
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11-02-2009, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HOOT
And if she kills again? And kills a family member or a friend of yours?
Imagine waking up with the people you have loved all your life are gone because someone needed a second chance.
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She just might kill every other person on the planet, too. Oh noes!
I have nothing to fear from this kid. Neither do you. Neither does anyone else on this forum.
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11-02-2009, 04:46 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
Murdering your family is a bad choice. Unless you're suggesting she had no choice in the matter?
She was convicted for the crime and continues to serve time. But I hope society can offer her a chance at a life beyond that.
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<removed> This wasn't an accidental killing, this was a planned out selfish murder that she was basically happy to do because it cleared the way for her to date her equally sick boyfriend.
A bad choice is me driving drunk, a bad choice is me robbing a liquor store because I have no money and I'm starving, a bad choice is smoking or doing drugs even though you know they're addictive and bad for your health.
What she did was make a cold hearted sick f-ed up preplanned decision to murder.
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Last edited by photon; 11-02-2009 at 06:04 PM.
Reason: Inflammatory language.
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11-02-2009, 04:47 PM
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Anyone who can murder their kid brother should rot in jail for a good portion of her life. I don't buy the she was a kid thing. I knew right from wrong when I was her age. Stop being so niave and pandering to the rights of the convicted. You're starting to sound like a Judge.
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11-02-2009, 04:48 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by troutman
The mind is not fully formed at age 12. Perhaps this girl had a good chance of rehabilitation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Develop...gy#Adolescence
Adolescence is the period of life between the onset of puberty and the full commitment to an adult social role, such as worker, parent, and/or citizen. It is the period known for the formation of personal and social identity (see Erik Erikson) and the discovery of moral purpose (see William Damon). Intelligence is demonstrated through the logical use of symbols related to abstract concepts and formal reasoning. A return to egocentric thought often occurs early in the period. Only 35% develop the capacity to reason formally during adolescence or adulthood. (Huitt, W. and Hummel, J. January 1998)[13]
The adolescent subconsciously explores questions such as "Who am I? Who do I want to be?" Like toddlers, adolescents must explore, test limits, become autonomous, and commit to an identity, or sense of self. Different roles, behaviors and ideologies must be tried out to select an identity. Role confusion and inability to choose vocation can result from a failure to achieve a sense of identity. |
But the mind is fully formed at 30, she can fricken stay in detention until it is absolutely certain that she feels and expresses remorse for her decision, understands the cost of what she did, and her mind is fully formed.
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11-02-2009, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Anyone who can murder their kid brother should rot in jail for a good portion of her life. I don't buy the she was a kid thing. I knew right from wrong when I was her age. Stop being so niave and pandering to the rights of the convicted. You're starting to sound like a Judge.
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Sympathy for one ****ed up 12 year old who has and continues to serve time for her crime, and hoping she can have something of a normal life somehow restored, is not "pandering to the rights of the convicted", <removed>.
Last edited by photon; 11-02-2009 at 06:03 PM.
Reason: removed insults
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11-02-2009, 05:19 PM
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ALL ABOARD!
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I'm only saying this might not be a bad thing because she is going to get out eventually, whether we like it or not, and I would prefer she has attempted be properly rehabilitated than being locked up for the next 20 years and coming out at 37 years old and being an even bigger burden on society.
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11-02-2009, 05:54 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Thread locked for review...
Reopened, try and discuss the issue without stooping down to inflammatory language and insults.
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