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sclitheroe · 10-29-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

5 hours of battery life in OSX translates into just over 2 in Windows 7.

Yeah, because of the crap state of Apple's bootcamp drivers. Either way, its what the end-user experiences, but its not exactly, nor entirely, the fault of Windows 7.

Barnes · 10-29-2009, 01:09 PM

Windows 7 is Robyn Regehr. I like it.

I am a 15+ year Mac user and I became a Mac user because it was superior to Windows in every way. That is not the case anymore and I am scared.

Someone hold me.

sclitheroe · 10-29-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnes

Windows 7 is Robyn Regehr. I like it.

I am a 15+ year Mac user and I became a Mac user because it was superior to Windows in every way. That is not the case anymore and I am scared.

Someone hold me.

Dude, you want competition, its vital for a thriving personal technology ecosystem.

Mac has some great technology that is going to have a big impact in the coming couple of years, in Grand Central and OpenCL. Windows has technology that the Mac still lacks like volume shadow copy (makes Time Machine look like a hack), and iSCSI, just to name a couple features from each.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride (using your platform of choice).

Cliche · 10-29-2009, 04:01 PM

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech...ives/1309.html

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech...ives/1310.html

photon · 10-29-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Nope. I use bootcamp.

Bootcamp is dual booting... meaning you boot into one OS vs. another.

As opposed to running Windows in a virtual machine like Parallels or VMWare.

FlamingLonghorn · 10-30-2009, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by photon

Bootcamp is dual booting... meaning you boot into one OS vs. another.

As opposed to running Windows in a virtual machine like Parallels or VMWare.

If only it was true dual booting. You are actually probably better running windows out of VMware than booting off of Boot Camp. Boot Camp's got so many bugs might as well figure something else out.

TheU · 10-30-2009, 11:23 AM

So in my on going struggle to get my sidebar to be functional like vista I downloaded the vista side bar from the internet. I took ownership of the 7 sidebar files, backed them up, deleted them, and replaced them with vista files. I then installed the vista gadgets that aren't compatible with 7, but I couldn't use the ones online anymore on windows site. I could only install myphone explorer from sony. The volume bar and other online windows gadgets wont open with the vista side bar on 7. So then I deleted the vista files, went back to the 7 sidebar, and now have all the gadgets I want installed. Took about 15 minutes but I kind of pioneered a work around for people who want myphone explorer on their sidebar for their sony phones.

I've had a few days to calm down and use 7 more, it's becoming less a disaster/disappointment. But still not the functionality and ease of use we should be at. On the flip side, it is nice that I've yet to experience a major crash or issue

10-30-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheU

So in my on going struggle to get my sidebar to be functional like vista I downloaded the vista side bar from the internet. I took ownership of the 7 sidebar files, backed them up, deleted them, and replaced them with vista files. I then installed the vista gadgets that aren't compatible with 7, but I couldn't use the ones online anymore on windows site. I could only install myphone explorer from sony. The volume bar and other online windows gadgets wont open with the vista side bar on 7. So then I deleted the vista files, went back to the 7 sidebar, and now have all the gadgets I want installed. Took about 15 minutes but I kind of pioneered a work around for people who want myphone explorer on their sidebar for their sony phones.

I've had a few days to calm down and use 7 more, it's becoming less a disaster/disappointment. But still not the functionality and ease of use we should be at. On the flip side, it is nice that I've yet to experience a major crash or issue

I don't even use the sidebar. Is it that useful? Can one condemn W7 because of the sidebar? What does it do for you exactly?

How does it compare to Google desktop?

TheU · 10-30-2009, 01:04 PM

I love the sidebar because my volume on my logitech speakers aren't very responsive cuz of the digital dial, so a volume gadget is a huge plus. Also,my phone sends text messages thru phoneexplorer, so that's a huge plus to have in my side bar

Shazam · 10-30-2009, 01:10 PM

Do you still not know Windows+G?

mykalberta · 10-30-2009, 01:10 PM

What is phone explorer?

TheU · 10-30-2009, 01:32 PM

phone explorer is a god send if you have a sony phone. you can everything on your phone thru your pc, which makes adding contacts, texting, making schedules, etc, all easy fast and painless. what is windows+G?

cal_guy · 10-30-2009, 01:40 PM

It bring desktop gadget to the top.

photon · 10-30-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sowa

If only it was true dual booting. You are actually probably better running windows out of VMware than booting off of Boot Camp. Boot Camp's got so many bugs might as well figure something else out.

Can't one use a boot loader like GRUB or LILO or something?

sclitheroe · 10-30-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sowa

If only it was true dual booting. You are actually probably better running windows out of VMware than booting off of Boot Camp. Boot Camp's got so many bugs might as well figure something else out.

How do you figure bootcamp is not true dual-booting?

Bobblehead · 10-30-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sclitheroe

How do you figure bootcamp is not true dual-booting?

There must be some sort of driver layer between the OS/hardware. Apple has said they will need to update Bootcamp to support Windows 7 (link, link).

I don't have a Mac, but wouldn't that suggest that there is something more going on there than just a simple boot loader?

sclitheroe · 10-30-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

There must be some sort of driver layer between the OS/hardware. Apple has said they will need to update Bootcamp to support Windows 7 (link, link).

I don't have a Mac, but wouldn't that suggest that there is something more going on there than just a simple boot loader?

All Boot Camp really is, is a way of dynamically re-partitioning an existing HFS+ drive (one time process), a BIOS compatible boot-loader shim (because Macs are EFI based) that gets the initial Windows bootloader process kicked off, and a set of drivers for the hardware in the laptop. If you look at the second link you provided, they have a link to a Gizmodo article that shows Windows 7 installing in bootcamp the same as any other bootcamp install of XP or Vista.

My hunch is that Apple is declaring bootcamp unsupported for Windows 7 until they have their Windows 7 drivers tested and ready to go. In the meantime, the Vista ones will work fine. You can even go ahead and grab nVidia drivers for you graphics chip if you want from the nVidia website.

Bootcamp is running Windows bare metal, without any doubt.

Draug · 10-30-2009, 06:03 PM

I've been playing with W7 for a day or so now ...

Is there anyway to repace the functionality lost by the removal of the Quick Launch icons?

Pinning an app is what replaced it, but I dont like how the pinned (and unopened) apps slide around the taskbar as other pinned apps are open. And, I had used the Quick Launch icons to quickly open up multiple instances of a program (say Windows Explorer) which is harder to do now.

It has been quite a jump for me ... I never did go to Vista and stuck with XP the whole time. Needless to say, I'm not used to the interface and its taking a while to find almost everything.

I have managed to get Windows Live Messenger back in the System Tray where it belongs. I mean honestly, why on earth should it have its own program group on the taskbar where space is so limited. You have to go to the msnmsgr.exe's properties and have it run in Vista Compatibility mode to get it running in the System Tray.

FlamingLonghorn · 10-30-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sclitheroe

All Boot Camp really is, is a way of dynamically re-partitioning an existing HFS+ drive (one time process), a BIOS compatible boot-loader shim (because Macs are EFI based) that gets the initial Windows bootloader process kicked off, and a set of drivers for the hardware in the laptop. If you look at the second link you provided, they have a link to a Gizmodo article that shows Windows 7 installing in bootcamp the same as any other bootcamp install of XP or Vista.

My hunch is that Apple is declaring bootcamp unsupported for Windows 7 until they have their Windows 7 drivers tested and ready to go. In the meantime, the Vista ones will work fine. You can even go ahead and grab nVidia drivers for you graphics chip if you want from the nVidia website.

Bootcamp is running Windows bare metal, without any doubt.

If there isn't a layer between Win7 and the hardware why would it need drivers? All the hardware in a Mac is supported by Windows with windows drivers unless they put something in the hardware to make windows not recognize it? Which i wouldn't understand since they go out of their way to make bootcamp.

FlamingLonghorn · 10-30-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Dude, you want competition, its vital for a thriving personal technology ecosystem.

Mac has some great technology that is going to have a big impact in the coming couple of years, in Grand Central and OpenCL. Windows has technology that the Mac still lacks like volume shadow copy (makes Time Machine look like a hack), and iSCSI, just to name a couple features from each.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride (using your platform of choice).

Apple has 3rd party Iscsi initiators.