Windows 7: More disapointing as the days go on

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Lol, what an epic thread. Can you imagine if people put this much effort into their jobs?

PS, decision goes to FanIn80. He's addressed every comment made disproved it. And he's right about PC users throwing the 'overpriced' accusations out there. Just not true anymore for hardware of the same quality.

No actually, he's not right. That's the point. As I clearly stated, I can build an identical unit (minus the cool factor all-in-one) for $600 cheaper.

Also, there are many comments he didn't address.

Mac user right?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Mac user right?

Can't you tell by the font he is using? it's a $600 better font!

[Esoteric]

Q: What's better then winning a gold medal at the special Olympics?

A: Not owning a Mac.

[Red]

I hadn't ownded a MAC until this weekend. Got the new 27" LED iMac, wife wanted a MAC so i went along with it. Is it better than a PC? Maybe, I don't know, but it sure is pretty. And convenient, one cord, that's it. Sweet deal too at $1700. Hooked up EyeTV adapter, DCT and Wii for the kids and off I go, spare TV and a powerful robust compter.

I had an HP laptop with Vista for a while and while it was nice at first it feels like junk now. Freezups, crashes daily, unhappy wife, you get the picture.

[MickMcGeough]

Here I thought this was a Windows 7 thread...

Anyway, I wanted a Mac a few months ago when I was laptop shopping because of how affordable I thought they are. Maybe I was looking for something pretty niche but it was far cheaper for me to get a PC than a Mac with equivalent features.

1066Mhz/2 x 2.26GHz
4GB RAM
320GB 7200rpm HD
1GB Nvidia 9800 GTS
802.11n
9cell battery

$899 CAN. The closest Macbook was $2154 with an upgrade to a 2.66Ghz CPU but downgrades to the screen (15"), and video (256MB 9600M GT). It wasn't even close.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Lol, what an epic thread. Can you imagine if people put this much effort into their jobs?

PS, decision goes to FanIn80. He's addressed every comment made disproved it. And he's right about PC users throwing the 'overpriced' accusations out there. Just not true anymore for hardware of the same quality.

How do you know we don't put this much effort into our jobs? And second - he didn't answer my question on how it makes sense to buy a MAC so you load windows on it? Plus I think your opinion is tilted pro-mac, I saw your post over on the Microsoft Store hate thread.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Red

I hadn't ownded a MAC until this weekend. Got the new 27" LED iMac, wife wanted a MAC so i went along with it. Is it better than a PC? Maybe, I don't know, but it sure is pretty. And convenient, one cord, that's it. Sweet deal too at $1700. Hooked up EyeTV adapter, DCT and Wii for the kids and off I go, spare TV and a powerful robust compter.

I had an HP laptop with Vista for a while and while it was nice at first it feels like junk now. Freezups, crashes daily, unhappy wife, you get the picture.

$1700!? what is this 1993?

I'm glad it's pretty.

[Pagal4321]

Greaaaaat.....a thread about Windows 7 turns into a PC vs. Mac debate.

Why am I not surprised.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Red

I hadn't ownded a MAC until this weekend. Got the new 27" LED iMac, wife wanted a MAC so i went along with it. Is it better than a PC? Maybe, I don't know, but it sure is pretty. And convenient, one cord, that's it. Sweet deal too at $1700. Hooked up EyeTV adapter, DCT and Wii for the kids and off I go, spare TV and a powerful robust compter.

I had an HP laptop with Vista for a while and while it was nice at first it feels like junk now. Freezups, crashes daily, unhappy wife, you get the picture.

Well I'll be, I should have bought a Mac so I could have a shiny computer. Damn you Dell for only making bland looking computers. When I bought my laptop (when Core 2 Duo just came out, like a week later), I got my laptop for $1200, the equivalent Toshiba was $1800, an equivalent Macbook was over $2000. This was years ago, but if I wanted to do the same now, I could (buy cheaper for the same).

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by dobbles

ok, now you are just being a ######. i got the american prices because i am american. and i even went and got an american price on your imac. the difference was still like $500.

i found a monitor with an IPS panel on dell.com for around the $400 i quoted. its only 23" so i guess thats still not good enough for you.

Here's an IPS panel 24" for $429 Canadian. Good deal I think, if anyone's looking.

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...S&promoid=1059

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dobbles

ok, now you are just being a ######. i got the american prices because i am american. and i even went and got an american price on your imac. the difference was still like $500.

i found a monitor with an IPS panel on dell.com for around the $400 i quoted. its only 23" so i guess thats still not good enough for you.

Why am I a ######?

I asked a very specific question. Can anyone build a complete PC that matches (completely) the exact specs of the 27" iMac?

Sounds pretty specific to me. I'm sorry if you're pissed that I'm not letting you off the hook for using American prices and trying to sneak in a monitor that doesn't match the either the size or resolution requirements.

It was a simple question. Either you can do it, or you can't. Why does you not being able to do it make me a ######? I didn't put the 27" IPS panel in the iMac.

It's not hard to admit you can't do something.

[silentsim]

27" Ips LED monitor

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Why am I a ######?

I asked a very specific question. Can anyone build a complete PC that matches (completely) the exact specs of the 27" iMac?

Sounds pretty specific to me. I'm sorry if you're pissed that I'm not letting you off the hook for using American prices and trying to sneak in a monitor that doesn't match the either the size or resolution requirements.

It was a simple question. Either you can do it, or you can't. Why does you not being able to do it make me a ######? I didn't put the 27" IPS panel in the iMac.

It's not hard to admit you can't do something.

Didn't Bent Wookie do it?

[Vulcan]

Here's a Samsung 27" monitor with a good S-PVA panel for $800.

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...acture=Samsung

It looks like for now Apple has the only IPS LED desktop monitor, good for Apple as they have always prided themselves on their screens but my $530 laptop also has a LED screen and yes it's nice, so they shouldn't have the only ones for long.

[Titan]

I don't know why I am bothering but...

I had an xp from Dell. I spent more time fiddling with it and worried about virii and installing various blockers and on and on. I did not enjoy that part of owning a computer.

I bought a macbook pro and in the 18 months I have had it the only actual problem I have had with it is it does not want to wake from sleep. That is literally the only problem I have had. It did take some time to get used to it and I am learning something new everyday. (ie two taps on the trackpad is a right click. You have to admit that is pretty cool. I am ashamed to admit I only learned that today)

There are also lots of things that are harder to accomplish just because the programs that do it are not as available for the Mac.

The other thing to consider is the software that is packaged in the mac. iLife is a really great package and is probably worth a lot but is included in the price of the system. Windows has "free" trials but not much more than that. Plus you have to buy (or at least find and install) virus protection.

I will also say that iTunes seems laggy, and is even more so with the new Snow Leopard, which I have not been overly happy with, other than the fact that I got about 12 gb back, even if it is partly from a recalculation of how gb are measured.

Anyways.

[MRCboicgy]

I have to use and be proficient in Windows, Mac and several Linux Distros at work. I have a triple boot mac at my desk, and no i don't work tech support.

I know why people like using macs, I don't have a problem with them, but I would never buy one for my personal use.

I'd like to point out for the first 5 years of my computing life, I used Apples exclusively, I never touched a PC until Win 98, and even that was limited until i got a computer with the disaster of WinME, then finally WinXP. I have found Win7 a not bad system to use and it's actually worked flawlessly in my work testing, which is more than I can say for Snow Leopard--which has pretty much killed the Mac side of our business--but I digress.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

No actually, he's not right. That's the point. As I clearly stated, I can build an identical unit (minus the cool factor all-in-one) for $600 cheaper.

Also, there are many comments he didn't address.

Mac user right?

Here's the thing. You could get a bunch of old lawnmowers together and build a wicked-ass go cart. It would cost you next to nothing because, well, old lawnmowers are cheap. Said go cart would do fine in a race against a nice looking, smooth running go cart with an equal amount of horsepower.
So you see, just because a machine is cheaper and does the same thing, doesn't mean it's comparable to a machine of equal capability, generally speaking.

Similarly, if you were to go and buy your girlfriend a 3 carat diamond ring from the local pawn shop, while I went to get mine a 3 carat diamond ring from Tifffany's, there would be a considerable price difference...Yet it's the same thing... Further, one would get you engaged, while the other had better come with a full return policy.

More often than not in a marketplace, a product with a higher price point is going to be more pleasing and pleasurable than a cheaper product with similar capabilities.

Buying a Mac isn't about penny squeezing, it's about purchasing a well thought out, well designed, and well built product.

The point is that buying a product of similar quality costs just as much to do if you go the Windows route.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Here's the thing. You could get a bunch of old lawnmowers together and build a wicked-ass go cart. It would cost you next to nothing because, well, old lawnmowers are cheap. Said go cart would do fine in a race against a nice looking, smooth running go cart with an equal amount of horsepower.
So you see, just because a machine is cheaper and does the same thing, doesn't mean it's comparable to a machine of equal capability, generally speaking.

Similarly, if you were to go and buy your girlfriend a 3 carat diamond ring from the local pawn shop, while I went to get mine a 3 carat diamond ring from Tifffany's, there would be a considerable price difference...Yet it's the same thing... Further, one would get you engaged, while the other had better come with a full return policy.

More often than not in a marketplace, a product with a higher price point is going to be more pleasing and pleasurable than a cheaper product with similar capabilities.

Buying a Mac isn't about penny squeezing, it's about purchasing a well thought out, well designed, and well built product.

The point is that buying a product of similar quality costs just as much to do if you go the Windows route.

It's more like comparing an $8 bottle of shampoo with an $50 bottle that happens to have the same formula and does the same job.

[onetwo_threefour]

I'ma let this hijack continue but...

Did none of our more elderly posters (ie mid-30s like me) not see the irony in blackeleven's post about other electronics industries and lifestyle branding? I mean she used televisions as an example and even mentioned Sony, but as an example of how nobody would think of a particular brand as a lifestyle statement. But that is precisely what happened with the Trinitron in the eighties and nineties.

Then to top it off she cites Sony vs Panasonic as an non-example specifically. Although it wasn't TV's it is ironic that it was precisely those two companies that were on either side of the Shockwave vs. Discman divide in the nineties and there was the same kind of bitter rivalry between proponents of each, it just wasn't on the internet. I don't know, I just find the whole thing kind of funny, although the point being made is valid.

I've used Macs and PC's and like both, but I'l stuck with mid/budget PC's because I don't want to spend what you have to spend on a Mac for the fairly basic needs that I have.

I am debating Windows 7 right now. My Vista box is booting up quite slowly right now and I'm wondering if an upgrade would help.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

I'ma let this hijack continue but...

Did none of our more elderly posters (ie mid-30s like me) not see the irony in blackeleven's post about other electronics industries and lifestyle branding? I mean she used televisions as an example and even mentioned Sony, but as an example of how nobody would think of a particular brand as a lifestyle statement. But that is precisely what happened with the Trinitron in the eighties and nineties.

Then to top it off she cites Sony vs Panasonic as an non-example specifically. Although it wasn't TV's it is ironic that it was precisely those two companies that were on either side of the Shockwave vs. Discman divide in the nineties and there was the same kind of bitter rivalry between proponents of each, it just wasn't on the internet. I don't know, I just find the whole thing kind of funny, although the point being made is valid.

I've used Macs and PC's and like both, but I'l stuck with mid/budget PC's because I don't want to spend what you have to spend on a Mac for the fairly basic needs that I have.

I am debating Windows 7 right now. My Vista box is booting up quite slowly right now and I'm wondering if an upgrade would help.

What exactly gives you the idea I'm a woman?