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Bagor · 09-10-2009, 08:53 PM

^Quinn goal .... nice.

No balls when it came to backing keane up in Korea. In summary, nice goal, yellow cnut.

SeoulFire · 09-11-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

I went to the World Cup in 1990 and 1998 and I must say that I wasn't nearly as impressed as you obviously were. I'd much rather see Celtic vs. Rangers or Liverpool vs. Everton in terms of atmosphere.

Perhaps I was swayed by the fact that I had been living there a few years. I hit up a lot of outdoor events and knew the good places to be and when to be there. Korea's improbable run (ignoring the controversy around it) probably had a lot to do with it as well. The games themselves were decent (watching Spain was a joy) but the parties...oh man. It was a good time to be a young(ish) (single) footie fan. That might have swayed my opinion too heh.

Cactus Jack · 09-11-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

I went to the World Cup in 1990 and 1998 and I must say that I wasn't nearly as impressed as you obviously were. I'd much rather see Celtic vs. Rangers or Liverpool vs. Everton in terms of atmosphere.

I'm the exact opposite. I have no allegiances to any european clubs, I only watch games with teams with top players or ones I like. Besides, the World cup is so relevant everywhere on earth that it becomes more than just sport despite the fact it is the world's top sporting event ever. I'd be honoured to even see Togo play Bolivia in a world cup, I would care much more about that than some Blackburn/Crystal Palace game.

Fugly · 09-11-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

I was misreading the stats for Mexico, my bad.

Sweden is essentially done, as is Portugal. When I say that, it isnt over by any means, but the quality of their play would have to substantially improve, and only one. If Portugal gets their act together they could do this, ostensibly so could Sweden, but not if Portugal does.

In terms of Sweden, I didn't agree with your first post, but unfortunately I agree with your second one. They just have to win to be in, but they haven't looked very good so far.

The World Cup rocks no matter what, but it's so much better when you have an actual allegiance to a team involved.

The Special One · 09-11-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

I'm the exact opposite. I have no allegiances to any european clubs, I only watch games with teams with top players or ones I like. Besides, the World cup is so relevant everywhere on earth that it becomes more than just sport despite the fact it is the world's top sporting event ever. I'd be honoured to even see Togo play Bolivia in a world cup, I would care much more about that than some Blackburn/Crystal Palace game.

I don't know why you bring up Crystal Palace. They haven't been in the Premier League in over five years.

Flame Of Liberty · 09-12-2009, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Aeneas

I think the Slovenes will agree to draw. Dobre Slovensko!
I wonder how the Czechs feel?

I'll happily take the draw! Althought I think the team will go for a win. But either way, we can't lose otherwise the last game against Poland will be a must-win and these are never fun.

As for the Czechs, I think their huge collective ego just got a little bit smaller. Since now they need their "smaller brother" to beat Slovenia, the whole country (including the haters) will have to cheer for Slovakia

Man, if we win the group it will be HUGE.

flip · 10-08-2009, 05:31 PM

Cannavaro accused of doping. Says it was Cortisone for a bee sting...

http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=294202

rubecube · 10-08-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

Cannavaro accused of doping. Says it was Cortisone for a bee sting...

http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=294202

Italy: Even their lies are ridiculous.

The Special One · 10-08-2009, 07:51 PM

I think he'll definitely win his appeal. If you read the article, it is quite obvious that he asked for an exemption months ago because of the bee sting.

valo403 · 10-08-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

I think he'll definitely win his appeal. If you read the article, it is quite obvious that he asked for an exemption months ago because of the bee sting.

Right, because statements from Italian sporting bodies are always legitimate and never tainted by an incredible amount of corruption.

flip · 10-08-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Right, because statements from Italian sporting bodies are always legitimate and never tainted by an incredible amount of corruption.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Italians would never lie, cheat or dive...Ah hell even I can't type that with a straight face.

Bagor · 10-09-2009, 09:01 AM

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The eight teams in Europe's World Cup playoffs that could include the likes of former champions France and Germany will be seeded according to the rankings, FIFA president Sepp Blatter said on Tuesday.

There will also be a separate draw to determine which teams play the second legs at home, Blatter told a news conference after a FIFA executive committee meeting in Rio de Janeiro.
"We have decided on seeding the teams into two groups of four, taking the FIFA world rankings into account, with the top four in one pot and the others in another pot," Blatter said. The ranking will be that published on October 16.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090929...s-ca02f96.html

BS IMO. They've already did the seeding when they drew the groups and now they have to do it again? Anyways ...if they're going to do it by seeding why don't they seed it by points gained in qualifying?

The Special One · 10-09-2009, 09:17 AM

Total BS

GirlySports · 10-09-2009, 10:36 AM

Why is this BS? There's always seeding. The European teams in the 2006 playoffs were seeded too. Spain was one of them.

Soccer's always based on rankings, regions and previous tournaments. For example, Paraguay qualfied for the World Cup easily and Argentina is fighting for it's life. But if Argentina gets in, they'll be seeded and Paraguay will end up in some death group.

troutman · 10-09-2009, 10:51 AM

In FIFA 09 on Wii, I led Spain to a 13-4 thumping of England. Torres has 10 goals.

Then, the game asked me if I wanted to increase the difficulty to "semi-pro".

Bagor · 10-09-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Why is this BS? There's always seeding. The European teams in the 2006 playoffs were seeded too. Spain was one of them.

And that makes it any less BS, how? Because Spain got a gimmee draw against Slovakia?

Why is it BS? Because they have ALREADY seeded them. When do you stop?

Why don't we do it in S.Africa too then all the way to the final?

Instead of the 2nd round being 2nd place group X vs 1st group Y lets just seed them again based on FIFA rankings and have a another draw.

Do the same for the quarter finals, and then the semis.

Teams like Slovenia (that were in pot D for the first draw) have already been subjected to the seedings and have overcome it to get a 2nd spot in their group. Now, instead of getting a fair draw for earning their right to be there it is determined that they have a 50/50 chance of drawing France or Germany/Russia when those countries are guaranteed to avoid each other. And that's not BS?

In a nutshell all the teams that claim 2nd place in their group have all done so based on what FIFA deemed to be fair and equal groups at that time by their seeding the original groups into 6 pot. In other words they are all there on equal merit.

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Soccer's always based on rankings, regions and previous tournaments. For example, Paraguay qualfied for the World Cup easily and Argentina is fighting for it's life. But if Argentina gets in, they'll be seeded and Paraguay will end up in some death group.

That's a completely different stage of the (completely new) tournament when it becomes global. As mentioned the European stage has ALREADY been seeded.
So, you're saying then it'll be ok to reseed them for the 2nd round of the tournament? That's what's happening here.

GirlySports · 10-09-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

And that makes it any less BS, how? Because Spain got a gimmee draw against Slovakia?

Why is it BS? Because they have ALREADY seeded them. When do you stop?

Why don't we do it in S.Africa too then all the way to the final?

Instead of the 2nd round being 2nd place group X vs 1st group Y lets just seed them again based on FIFA rankings and have a another draw.

Do the same for the quarter finals, and then the semis.

Teams like Slovenia (that were in pot D for the first draw) have already been subjected to the seedings and have overcome it to get a 2nd spot in their group. Now, instead of getting a fair draw for earning their right to be there it is determined that they have a 50/50 chance of drawing France or Germany/Russia when those countries are guaranteed to avoid each other. And that's not BS?

In a nutshell all the teams that claim 2nd place in their group have all done so based on what FIFA deemed to be fair and equal groups at that time by their seeding the original groups into 6 pot. In other words they are all there on equal merit.

That's a completely different stage of the (completely new) tournament when it becomes global. As mentioned the European stage has ALREADY been seeded.
So, you're saying then it'll be ok to reseed them for the 2nd round of the tournament? That's what's happening here.

Ah I see what you mean now. It sucks to be a little country. Little countries have to climb up the ladder over several tournaments and several years. I don't like it either and would rather see an open 8 team draw. But then you know people would complain and say Why are France-Portugal playing each other while one of Slovenia or Switzerland will get in.

I think FIFA and fans in general want to see all the big teams there. If Slovenia wants to get there, beat a big guy. I think they could beat France anyways.

KTown · 10-09-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Ah I see what you mean now. It sucks to be a little country. Little countries have to climb up the ladder over several tournaments and several years. I don't like it either and would rather see an open 8 team draw. But then you know people would complain and say Why are France-Portugal playing each other while one of Slovenia or Switzerland will get in.

I think FIFA and fans in general want to see all the big teams there. If Slovenia wants to get there, beat a big guy. I think they could beat France anyways.

Slovenia won't finish second in there group. Slovenia will lose in Slovakia and the Czechs will win both there games at home to finish second. Basically this discussion won't matter soon.Well at least I hope

Locke · 10-09-2009, 04:59 PM

Germany is the interesting one, one of the strongest teams in the world in tough against a very good Russian squad, it means that one of them is going to go to the playoffs.

I would imagine that FIFA would like to see both of them at the World Cup.

Bagor · 10-10-2009, 12:18 PM

England beat 1-0 which means nothing to them but puts Ukraine in the drivers seat now for second spot ahead of Croatia with their last game away to Andorra.

Russia/Ukraine in the playoffs would be sweet if the seedings would allow it.