new LIFE photos of Nazi Germany

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

But what about the Irish? They blend in to regular society too! Nobody is blaming them for anything more than green beer.

The Irish faced a great deal of discrimination in the not too distant past.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by valo403

The Irish faced a great deal of discrimination in the not too distant past.

People are always after their lucky charms.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by valo403

The Irish faced a great deal of discrimination in the not too distant past.

Most Immigrant groups have had to cope with discrimination when first entering a different society. Being typically Catholic in a society that was basically Protestant and at a time when both groups held very low opinions of each other didn't help either. That discrimination only lasted for a generation though. The Jews have had to deal with discrimination for well over 2000 years.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Humans seem to have a problem empathizing with and accepting folks who are different than them. You can expect problems when a minority looks or sounds different than the majority. The Jews don't look that different or sound that different that most North Americans/ Europeans and yet there is a constant undertow of anti semitic sentiment within our societies.

While you make a point, living in a city with a fairly high Jewish population, I have to say though often times they themselves don't seem to be too fond or welcoming of those not part of their community (especially the Hasids here, who have gotten into a few riots over the years with the Blacks).

I think a lot of backlash comes from the fact that they can often appear as if they want to exclude anyone not part of their community. Personally, I find the whole notion of Jews demanding their kids to marry Jews somewhat insulting and discriminatory. My co-worker's family more or less disowned her for living with a Catholic dude....just goes to show that Jews are just as racist and ######ed as the rest of us.

[narbeZ]

Is it normal to want to own a nazi uniform, but not to wear it just to hang it as a souvenir? I have to admit I think Hitler was a smart guy for the most part.

PS. Im not a neo nazi.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't really see Hitler as that smart. Although they started off WWII with a bang, they were actually on their heals for most of it and Hitler made some really bizarre strategic decisions.

If he was smart, he would have slowed things down. He could have easily conquered half of Europe and then negotiated a peace deal that still left him with all the "Germanic" lands to build a greater Germany. In future years, it would have seriously set Germany up to be not just a major European power, but a global force. But Hitler was greedy and wanted it all... and I think that was his ultimate downfall. Had he not backstabbed the Russians, we'd probably see a German superpower today and a Europe completely dominated by the Russians and Germans.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Wow you are quite amazing. Yes they are doing the same thing in China. My point is that the West is very selective in who they memorialize. The order they care about people is roughly in this order:

USA/Canada, Western Europe, Australian
Israel
Eastern Europeans/Latin America
Asia
Africa

Some call it racism or culturalism. I don't know why your panties are getting in a wad over people pointing out the obvious double standard in Western Society. I have no problem with their being huge memorials to the Jews killed in the Holocaust. In fact I spent a long time travelling across Europe and made it my point to visit as many of those places as possible. I do have a problem when we ignore the rest of the world though. You seem to think that it has to be an either/or type thing, why can't it be both? I guess it's you who doesn't give a about the Chinese who died? Because that's now how you are coming off.

Maybe you can watch one of many movies every year that have nothing to do with Jews. There is no obvious double standard unless you choose to see one. There are many many assorted cultural festivals for assorted groups. The 'west' is not selective about who they memorialize...if a group wants attention, they can simply mobilize and create attention. If the Jews have done a good job in this region of memorializing a very important aspect of their history, then good. Let everyone else do the same thing.
There are other groups that are just as strong, yet a thread about Hitler and some photos quickly spirals into questioning why the holocaust has so much attention.
And thanks for the compliments about how amazing I am.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by valo403

Explain how you took a full sentence and cut it in half in order to twist its meaning? You need that explained to you?

Wrong guy.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Table 5

While you make a point, living in a city with a fairly high Jewish population, I have to say though often times they themselves don't seem to be too fond or welcoming of those not part of their community (especially the Hasids here, who have gotten into a few riots over the years with the Blacks).

I think a lot of backlash comes from the fact that they can often appear as if they want to exclude anyone not part of their community. Personally, I find the whole notion of Jews demanding their kids to marry Jews somewhat insulting and discriminatory. My co-worker's family more or less disowned her for living with a Catholic dude....just goes to show that Jews are just as racist and ######ed as the rest of us.

Thanks for showing us all how easy it is to stereotype a whole culture. Sure, some Jews are somewhat seclusive, but in general the culture as a whole is NOT. The blend in. That is why they still are around after several thousand years as minorities. A major rule of the religion is you follow the rules of the land you live in. Some I am sure are as ignorant as anyone else, but to paint all Jews that way is pretty lame.
You then tread into pure hate territory, you claim that 'backlash' is due to things the Jews do? Simple hate, but I will give you the opp to fix what you wrote.
Some jewish families for sure get angry when someone marries outside the religion, but it is not too common. But again, you paint the entire religion that way.

[Table 5]

So basically ANY comment or opinion that doesnt side 100% with jewish people being absolutely totally super-awesome is anti-semitic, hateful and ignorant. Got it.

You sound like Uncle Leo.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Thanks for showing us all how easy it is to stereotype a whole culture. Sure, some Jews are somewhat seclusive, but in general the culture as a whole is NOT. The blend in. That is why they still are around after several thousand years as minorities. A major rule of the religion is you follow the rules of the land you live in. Some I am sure are as ignorant as anyone else, but to paint all Jews that way is pretty lame.
You then tread into pure hate territory, you claim that 'backlash' is due to things the Jews do? Simple hate, but I will give you the opp to fix what you wrote.
Some jewish families for sure get angry when someone marries outside the religion, but it is not too common. But again, you paint the entire religion that way.

Really? Because I live and work in a city with hundreds of thousands of jews and a very high percentage of them won't consider marriage outside of their religion. Is it over 50%? Probably not, maybe not even 30%, but to say "it is not too common" is inaccurate. Heck, I dated a girl ate pepperoni pizza all the time but one of the reasons things never got that serious was her families desire for her to marry within the religion.

I don't begrudge any of the attention paid to the jewish side of the holocaust, I just wish that other atrocities were equally recognized. Whether the blame lies with those groups for not publicizing it is a whole different discussion, one that I'd rather not get into as many people are incapable of discussing it without things getting out of hand.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Wrong guy.

Nope, you asked me to explain. I don't care if you were responsible for the first misquote or not, if you can't comprehend how quoting half a sentence skews its meaning explanations are pretty much going to be of no use.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Maybe you can watch one of many movies every year that have nothing to do with Jews. There is no obvious double standard unless you choose to see one. There are many many assorted cultural festivals for assorted groups. The 'west' is not selective about who they memorialize...if a group wants attention, they can simply mobilize and create attention. If the Jews have done a good job in this region of memorializing a very important aspect of their history, then good. Let everyone else do the same thing.
There are other groups that are just as strong, yet a thread about Hitler and some photos quickly spirals into questioning why the holocaust has so much attention.
And thanks for the compliments about how amazing I am.

Just to be clear I believe the Holocaust should have as much attention as it does, I just believe there should be more attention to the other people who faced tragedy in WW2. There is a double standard when it comes to the West just look at the foreign policies of the Western powers. Genocide in Africa for over 50 years and we have done almost nothing about it. If it were white Christians down there getting killed, we would intervene lickity split.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by valo403

Really? Because I live and work in a city with hundreds of thousands of jews and a very high percentage of them won't consider marriage outside of their religion. Is it over 50%? Probably not, maybe not even 30%, but to say "it is not too common" is inaccurate. Heck, I dated a girl ate pepperoni pizza all the time but one of the reasons things never got that serious was her families desire for her to marry within the religion.

I don't begrudge any of the attention paid to the jewish side of the holocaust, I just wish that other atrocities were equally recognized. Whether the blame lies with those groups for not publicizing it is a whole different discussion, one that I'd rather not get into as many people are incapable of discussing it without things getting out of hand.

To explain the marriage outside religion thing, it's an issue of assimilation. If Jews married at random there would be no Jews within 2 or 3 generations. The same goes for any religion, culture, or ethinicity.

I've chosen to marry outside my religion, but I respect the wishes of those that choose to marry within their religion. It's not just Jewish people who do it either, I have many friends: Catholic, Polish, Eastern Orthodox, Muslim, Hindu, and Sikh, who would be disowned for marrying outside the religion.

Marrying within your religion is not an issue of discrimination, it's an issue of preserving your culture and beliefs through generations. I didn't grow up in a religious family, but I can see the appeal for those that did and why they would want to raise their children like that.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by valo403

Nope, you asked me to explain. I don't care if you were responsible for the first misquote or not, if you can't comprehend how quoting half a sentence skews its meaning explanations are pretty much going to be of no use.

You said that I cut up a sentence so that I could twist it's meaning. I did not do that. You foolishly are going to somehow try to stick me with that? You don't care if I was not responsible? You then claim I may have comprehension problems?
A normal person would have acknowledged they stuck the wrong poster, yet you won't. Interesting.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So basically ANY comment or opinion that doesnt side 100% with jewish people being absolutely totally super-awesome is anti-semitic, hateful and ignorant. Got it.

You sound like Uncle Leo.

I am clearly calling out when people claim things that are false or generalizing in a not so positive way. I have been very clear about it. But of course, defend the Jews and you are attacked. Read the thread from start to finish and you will see it eventually evolved into a woe is everyone else besides the Jews thread, and why do they get all the attention? Plus a post about how the Jews deserve some of what they get.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by blankall

To explain the marriage outside religion thing, it's an issue of assimilation. If Jews married at random there would be no Jews within 2 or 3 generations. The same goes for any religion, culture, or ethinicity.

I've chosen to marry outside my religion, but I respect the wishes of those that choose to marry within their religion. It's not just Jewish people who do it either, I have many friends: Catholic, Polish, Eastern Orthodox, Muslim, Hindu, and Sikh, who would be disowned for marrying outside the religion.

Marrying within your religion is not an issue of discrimination, it's an issue of preserving your culture and beliefs through generations. I didn't grow up in a religious family, but I can see the appeal for those that did and why they would want to raise their children like that.

No arguments with that at all, I was just responding to the 'its not that common' statement.

If people value their religion, whatever that may be, and lack of the same beliefs is a deal breaker in a relationship that's up to them. It's not an issue for me, but I understand why it is for some and I'm all for it so long as it isn't motivated by malice, which I don't think is common. Maybe that's what the previous poster was getting at, if so my bad.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You said that I cut up a sentence so that I could twist it's meaning. I did not do that. You foolishly are going to somehow try to stick me with that? You don't care if I was not responsible? You then claim I may have comprehension problems?
A normal person would have acknowledged they stuck the wrong poster, yet you won't. Interesting.

You said "please explain", I have explained. There's that comprehension issue again.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by valo403

Really? Because I live and work in a city with hundreds of thousands of jews and a very high percentage of them won't consider marriage outside of their religion. Is it over 50%? Probably not, maybe not even 30%, but to say "it is not too common" is inaccurate. Heck, I dated a girl ate pepperoni pizza all the time but one of the reasons things never got that serious was her families desire for her to marry within the religion.

I don't begrudge any of the attention paid to the jewish side of the holocaust, I just wish that other atrocities were equally recognized. Whether the blame lies with those groups for not publicizing it is a whole different discussion, one that I'd rather not get into as many people are incapable of discussing it without things getting out of hand.

THEY CAN MARRY WHO THEY WANT!!!! You are going to tell them who to marry? If they want to marry a Jew, let them! Who are you to judge?
What I said was not too common was when a family is angry like someone was posting. I agree though, Jews want to marry Jews, just like basically every other religion. So why bother mentioning it? It is a fact of life on this planet, people marry within cultures and religions all the time. You (I think it was your post) thought it would be good to tell this forum that Jews are guilty of being angry if their child does not marry a Jew.
Other atrocities are equally recognized, some more, some less. Someone's history is apparently at the top of the list. Lots of movies come out every year to highlight another horrible or shameful part of our history...but if it is about the holocaust, then WHOOOAAAA, it is just another attempt to push the holocaust on all of us. You might not be claiming that, but read the complete list of posts.
There are movies about WW2 and Japan, recently one about poverty in India, Aztecs, William Wallace etc. Many about the holocaust, but so what? Ask a Ukrainian about their history and if they have any sort of memorial to their past. I have no friggin clue, but I cannot blame society for that.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by valo403

You said "please explain", I have explained. There's that comprehension issue again.

How about you go troll somewhere else? If you are choked that someone is cutting up posts to twist their meaning, go after them.

You accused me of something I did not do, why are you pointing the 'comprehension' finger at me?