new LIFE photos of Nazi Germany

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Wow, I dont think anyone is blaming the Jews.

Just saying that similar and worse atrocities have been committed all throughout history, with some of those happening AFTER the horrors from WW2 have been well known to everyone.

History has not condemmed those people in the same way that they have condemmed Hitler and the Nazis.

Nage, a nation was at war, but the whole nation did not know the atocities that were being committed until afterwards, much like everyone else.

Who says 'history' has not condemned those people in the same way? Maybe in your neck of the woods...

These threads invariably come down to the usual claims about Jews somehow having more sway, more control etc.

The claim that somehow the German public did not know what was going on is ludicrous. Some might not of, but when you helped force your neighbor out of their house simply for being Jewish, that makes you guilty.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Where does he blame the Jews? I am pretty sure that he isn't saying the Jews don't deserve the sympathy they are getting. His point is that the others deserve just as much sympathy. And your point about maybe in his house is stupid. In the West, the Chinese tragedy hardly gets covered in history books. I am sure that in China it is well presented, but it is grossly underpresented here in the West. That was his point. There are tons of holocaust museums in the US and England, and they deserve to be there, however I don't think there are any museums to the genocide of the Chinese people in either country. Way to twist people's words to make them look like a jackass...

So get off your couch and go build a damn museum. The question is not why do the Jews garner so much sympathy, but are the Chinese doing the same things to memorialize a chapter of their history?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

These threads invariably come down to the usual claims about Jews somehow having more sway, more control etc.

You don't think that jews have more media sway than some gypsies in Eastern Europe? Out of the 11 million people who died in the Holocaust, an estimated 5 million or so were non-jews. That's a hell of a large number....and how many war movies have you ever seen focusing on their plight? Nobody is downplaying what happened to the jews, but come one, let's be a little realistic....they have done a great job at keeping their plight in the spotlight.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

The claim that somehow the German public did not know what was going on is ludicrous. Some might not of, but when you helped force your neighbor out of their house simply for being Jewish, that makes you guilty.

I don't really believe the "I didn't know" angle either....considering all the events and new laws that were happening in the country in the years leading up to the war, nobody could have though that Nazi's were taking those families away for tea and sandwiches.

[T@T]

In 1951 the world leaders got together for a genocide convention and deemed it a crime for the whole international community to police.

Since then over 3 million civilians were slaughtered in Cambodia, Bosnia,Sudan and Rwanda. Much has gone unpunished.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

So get off your couch and go build a damn museum. The question is not why do the Jews garner so much sympathy, but are the Chinese doing the same things to memorialize a chapter of their history?

Wow you are quite amazing. Yes they are doing the same thing in China. My point is that the West is very selective in who they memorialize. The order they care about people is roughly in this order:

USA/Canada, Western Europe, Australian
Israel
Eastern Europeans/Latin America
Asia
Africa

Some call it racism or culturalism. I don't know why your panties are getting in a wad over people pointing out the obvious double standard in Western Society. I have no problem with their being huge memorials to the Jews killed in the Holocaust. In fact I spent a long time travelling across Europe and made it my point to visit as many of those places as possible. I do have a problem when we ignore the rest of the world though. You seem to think that it has to be an either/or type thing, why can't it be both? I guess it's you who doesn't give a about the Chinese who died? Because that's now how you are coming off.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by valo403

It's only a poor choice of words when you go with the old 'quote half a sentence' technique, as you chose to do. Quote the whole sentence and it reads completely differently, convenient choice you made though.

Nope. Still reads the same to me.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Where does he blame the Jews? I am pretty sure that he isn't saying the Jews don't deserve the sympathy they are getting. His point is that the others deserve just as much sympathy. And your point about maybe in his house is stupid. In the West, the Chinese tragedy hardly gets covered in history books. I am sure that in China it is well presented, but it is grossly underpresented here in the West. That was his point. There are tons of holocaust museums in the US and England, and they deserve to be there, however I don't think there are any museums to the genocide of the Chinese people in either country. Way to twist people's words to make them look like a jackass...

seems like standard fare when these types of topics come up. of course the Jews deserve all the attention to the Holocaust that they get, so something like that can hopefully never happen again. but it's a shame that the same can't be said for the other genocides perpetrated during that war, which were on a scale greater than the Holocaust

[dustyanddaflames]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Hitler knew that you can reinforce people's committment to a cause by having a constant symbol to remind them of "the cause." See: Christianity

Something Kevin Lowe is lacking....

[Flames_Gimp]

it's too bad Hitler had to ruin that style of mustache for all eternity

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

it's too bad Hitler had to ruin that style of mustache for all eternity

Too bad he didn't rock a porn 'stash.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Please explain.

Explain how you took a full sentence and cut it in half in order to twist its meaning? You need that explained to you?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Too bad he didn't rock a porn 'stash.

But then we wouldn't have Freddy Mercury and Tom Selleck. And that would be just unacceptable.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Nope. Still reads the same to me.

Seems your problem is based in a failure of simple reading skills then.

[Calgaryborn]

I think one reason why the Jews are so diligent in keeping the memories of the holocaust alive is that there is still a fair amount of anti-semitic conversation out there. I ran into a fellow on main street just this week who is convinced the Jews control the pharmaceutical companies and are giving us cancer somehow through their products in order to make a bigger profit.

Humans seem to have a problem empathizing with and accepting folks who are different than them. You can expect problems when a minority looks or sounds different than the majority. The Jews don't look that different or sound that different that most North Americans/ Europeans and yet there is a constant undertow of anti semitic sentiment within our societies.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I think one reason why the Jews are so diligent in keeping the memories of the holocaust alive is that there is still a fair amount of anti-semitic conversation out there. I ran into a fellow on main street just this week who is convinced the Jews control the pharmaceutical companies and are giving us cancer somehow through their products in order to make a bigger profit.

Humans seem to have a problem empathizing with and accepting folks who are different than them. You can expect problems when a minority looks or sounds different than the majority. The Jews don't look that different or sound that different that most North Americans/ Europeans and yet there is a constant undertow of anti semitic sentiment within our societies.

I think that may be a big part of the fear, a feeling that they are somehow 'undercover' and therefore more difficult to avoid/suppress at the simple 'you look different' level.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by valo403

Seems your problem is based in a failure of simple reading skills then.

I can read fine thanks. Maybe your problem is comprehension skills? It's definitly not condescension, you do that quite well.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I can read fine thanks. Maybe your problem is comprehension skills? It's definitly not condescension, you do that quite well.

Why thank you!!!

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I think one reason why the Jews are so diligent in keeping the memories of the holocaust alive is that there is still a fair amount of anti-semitic conversation out there. I ran into a fellow on main street just this week who is convinced the Jews control the pharmaceutical companies and are giving us cancer somehow through their products in order to make a bigger profit.

Humans seem to have a problem empathizing with and accepting folks who are different than them. You can expect problems when a minority looks or sounds different than the majority. The Jews don't look that different or sound that different that most North Americans/ Europeans and yet there is a constant undertow of anti semitic sentiment within our societies.

People also seem to forget that the the Jews have been persecuted throughout history. It didn't just start with WWII.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by valo403

Why thank you!!!

Your welcome. Can we move on now?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by valo403

I think that may be a big part of the fear, a feeling that they are somehow 'undercover' and therefore more difficult to avoid/suppress at the simple 'you look different' level.

But what about the Irish? They blend in to regular society too! Nobody is blaming them for anything more than green beer.