PS3 Slim Debuts September for $299

[FanIn80]

Out of that list, I'd say built-in wireless is the only real kicker. The wireless adapter for the Xbox is still $100.

[Pastiche]

So other than that there's no real difference between the two systems? (besides the byzantine specs under the hood and exclusive games)

[Superflyer]

Well I was looking into getting one and started noticing that the price was coming down, now I know why. I think I will hold off for now and get the new one.

[IggyIggyIggyOiOiOi]

Originally Posted by Russic

Wireless - yes

Bluetooth - yes

HDMI - they both have it now

Free PSN - Yes

Whole bunch of other stuff - Profile 2.0 Blu-ray player, $250 sold seperately. No RROD.


The 360 still has an hdmi cable included, as well as a headset that the ps3 does not.

They are actually much closer than they used to be. I feel personally that the ps3 was the better deal when the 360 was missing some key features included (wireless controller, hdmi). Now that those features are included, I feel the gap has shrunk a bit.

You did miss something.

[Pastiche]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Out of that list, I'd say built-in wireless is the only real kicker. The wireless adapter for the Xbox is still $100.

For a guy like me who's a Wii gamer, that's a big deal breaker. An extra $100 bucks for the adapter for wireless controllers and then the controllers themselves?

Crazy.

I can't imagine playing games with cord controllers anymore.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by IggyIggyIggyOiOiOi

You did miss something.

lol, oh ya, I guess I did forget about that. To be fair, I think a lot of RROD issues have been resolved. In addition, I only have 2 friends with ps3's ... both have died on them and both have had to be sent away at their own expense ($150) for repairs. The one guy bought a ps3 because his 360 died due to a non RROD error, so he had to pay as well. Poor basterd.

[LockedOut]

Originally Posted by Russic

Wireless - yes

Bluetooth - yes

HDMI - they both have it now

Free PSN - Yes

Whole bunch of other stuff - Can't think of much else

How about the PS3 hard drive can be upgraded with any 2.5" drive unlike the 360 where MS gouges your eyes and take your left nut for a hard drive upgrade with their proprietary HD's.

[Esoteric]

Originally Posted by Russic

lol, oh ya, I guess I did forget about that. To be fair, I think a lot of RROD issues have been resolved. In addition, I only have 2 friends with ps3's ... both have died on them and both have had to be sent away at their own expense ($150) for repairs. The one guy bought a ps3 because his 360 died due to a non RROD error, so he had to pay as well. Poor basterd.

Try reading this for some failure rates, based on a recent survey. - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html

To summarize;
Survey of 5,000 people

Console failure rate

Xbox 360 – 54.2%
Playstation 3 – 10.6%
Wii – 6.8%

Percentage of console owners who suffered a second hardware failure after the original repair.

Xbox 360 – 41.2%
Playstation 3 – 14.7%
Wii – 11%

Percentage of people who rate their customer service experience "very helpful"

Nintendo – 56.1%
Sony – 51.1%
Microsoft – 37.7%

Percentage of respondents whose friends have had console hardware failures.

Xbox 360 – 69.9%
Playstation 3 – 12.4%
Wii – 6%

[Komskies]

Does anybody know if and/or when the new Final Fantasy game is coming out? That might be my only reason for buying a PS3 as I already have a Blu-Ray drive in my computer.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Ah Nintendo...the epidemy of reliability. They should just change their motto to "Go ahead. Bomb our s**t."

[I-Hate-Hulse]

No IR port..damn!

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

For a guy like me who's a Wii gamer, that's a big deal breaker. An extra $100 bucks for the adapter for wireless controllers and then the controllers themselves?

Crazy.

I can't imagine playing games with cord controllers anymore.

Wireless is for wireless internet. Not controllers.

Also Xbox works with Harmony Remotes, PS currently does not.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by LockedOut

How about the PS3 hard drive can be upgraded with any 2.5" drive unlike the 360 where MS gouges your eyes and take your left nut for a hard drive upgrade with their proprietary HD's.

Oh ya I forgot about that too. That is a big plus.

Originally Posted by Esoteric

Try reading this for some failure rates, based on a recent survey. - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html

To summarize;
Survey of 5,000 people

Oh I've read it. I'm certainly not saying the failure rates are higher on the ps3, far from it. I'm merely saying that the ps3 isn't as iron-clad as I once thought. Just trying to be fair.

[Esoteric]

Originally Posted by Russic

Oh I've read it. I'm certainly not saying the failure rates are higher on the ps3, far from it. I'm merely saying that the ps3 isn't as iron-clad as I once thought. Just trying to be fair.

I agree with you; I thought they were fail proof earlier on. 10% is still a high rate of failure IMO. Also, the sample size was only 5000 people, and the method they used is questionable, but if that is the Xbox 360 failure rate, it's hard to stomach.

Another thing interesting - based on sales "from launch" to the point the system is in the cycle, the PS3 is a couple million consoles ahead of Microsoft. This is at a higher price point, and without a large price cut. I'm interested to see how much of an impact this has on the economics of the video game industry. I don't believe Sony will catch Nintendo in terms of systems sold, but I'm willing to bet they expand on their "from launch" figure, and close the total gap between them and Microsoft.

[Russic]

It would appear as though the $299 price is confirmed for Canada! If you're on the fence this would be a good time to get into the mix.

http://www.amazon.ca/Sony-7117198017...0632518&sr=8-2

[mykalberta]

Its also at FS for 299 FYI.

I am hoping the Blu Ray standard dies so I wont be buying one.

[Esoteric]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I am hoping the Blu Ray standard dies so I wont be buying one.

Don't bet on that happening.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Esoteric

I agree with you; I thought they were fail proof earlier on. 10% is still a high rate of failure IMO. Also, the sample size was only 5000 people, and the method they used is questionable, but if that is the Xbox 360 failure rate, it's hard to stomach.

Another thing interesting - based on sales "from launch" to the point the system is in the cycle, the PS3 is a couple million consoles ahead of Microsoft. This is at a higher price point, and without a large price cut. I'm interested to see how much of an impact this has on the economics of the video game industry. I don't believe Sony will catch Nintendo in terms of systems sold, but I'm willing to bet they expand on their "from launch" figure, and close the total gap between them and Microsoft.

I think the Xbox failure rate is higher than 50%, because honestly, everyone I know, and their friends, all have 360's and we're all on our 2nd, 3rd, 6th for me.

Just when I though they solved the RROD problem, my disc drive is starting to go (making weird sounds it shouldn't), and I am out of warranty.

I still believe the 360 failure rate is in the 80's, and within time everyone's will break until their new console.

[Esoteric]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

I think the Xbox failure rate is higher than 50%, because honestly, everyone I know, and their friends, all have 360's and we're all on our 2nd, 3rd, 6th for me.

Just when I though they solved the RROD problem, my disc drive is starting to go (making weird sounds it shouldn't), and I am out of warranty.

I still believe the 360 failure rate is in the 80's, and within time everyone's will break until their new console.

Just curious; have you repurchased additional Xbox 360 units?

Also, if your console fails again (now that it is out of warranty), will you purchase a PS3?

I'd consider my 360 to be a failed system - I haven't experienced a RROD or the E74 error, but the amount of games and frequency of the dirty disc error message makes it unacceptable.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Its also at FS for 299 FYI.

I am hoping the Blu Ray standard dies so I wont be buying one.

Just as I tell my wife on voting day: Do you really think you make a difference?