06-25-2009, 04:48 PM
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#141
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by jar_e
OJ wasn't found guilty either...
Just cause he wasn't found guilty sure doesn't mean that he was innocent...
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So true... so true...
Money can buy you a lot of "not guilty" in court.
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06-25-2009, 04:49 PM
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#142
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Draft Pick
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See, thats what plastic surgury does to you. 
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Last edited by flamesfan597; 06-25-2009 at 04:51 PM.
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06-25-2009, 04:49 PM
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#143
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Rerun
Only because he has lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$ to buy off his victims and their families.
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Yeah, and that shows how much of a farce it was, if my kid was molested I would want justice not $$$$$$$$$$.
R.I.P. Michael.
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06-25-2009, 04:50 PM
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#144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Originally Posted by Rerun
I can't believe how many people are sad at the death of Jackson and are praising his music.
I guess if you have talent you can get away with just about anything, no matter how many ugly, dispicable flaws you have in your character.
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"...no matter how many alleged ugly, dispicable [sic] flaws you have in your character." 
His alleged shortcomings will definitely be how many remember him. Others will mainly remember his music.
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06-25-2009, 04:50 PM
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#145
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Rerun
I can't believe how many people are sad at the death of Jackson and are praising his music.
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I can't believe people can't look past his recent wackiness/oddities/despicable acts to appreciate what he did in the 80s and 90s to help shape the music industry.
But to each their own.
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06-25-2009, 04:50 PM
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#146
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by HOOT
Ya he was. He is in prison right now.
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Only because he doesn't have any money left and he couldn't afford the high paid sheisters he hired in his murder trial.
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06-25-2009, 04:51 PM
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#147
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun
I can't believe how many people are sad at the death of Jackson and are praising his music.
I guess if you have talent you can get away with just about anything, no matter how many ugly, dispicable flaws you have in your character.
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No one (noone?) is saying he wasn't a weirdo but there is a reason his albums are among the top selling albums of all time. He was a great artist. RIP
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06-25-2009, 04:52 PM
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#148
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by jar_e
OJ wasn't found guilty either...
Just cause he wasn't found guilty sure doesn't mean that he was innocent...
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I am aware of that....but the two cases are not comparable IMO...and believe me i am the last person in the world to defend anyone that has anything to do with harming children.
People can think and believe ehat they want, but the fact remains he was tried twice very very aggressively on molestation charges and was acquitted on all of them.
If he did it....he is a monster, no question. I just have no way of knowing for sure....unlike OJ.
At any rate, here is just one list of accomplishments.
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1984
# Grammy Awards
a record breaking 8 Grammy Awards → the most won by an artist in one year.
* Album Of The Year → Thriller
* Record Of The Year → Beat It
* Best Male Pop Performance → Thriller
* Producer Of The Year (with Quincy Jones) → Thriller
* Best Male Rock Vocal Performance → Beat It
* Best Male R&B Vocal Performance → Billie Jean
* Best New R&B Song → Billie Jean
* Best Recording For Children → E.T. The Extra Terrestrial Album (narration by Michael Jackson) on February the 28th.
1985
# Grammy Awards
* Best Home Video → The Making Of Thriller
1986
# Grammy Awards
* Record Of The Year → We Are the World
* Song Of The Year → We Are the World
* Best Pop Performance By Duo Or Group → We Are the World
* Best Music Video Short Form
1990
# Grammy Awards
* Best Video → Leave Me Alone
1993
# Grammy Awards
* Living Legend Award
1996
# Grammy Awards
* Best Music Video (short form)→ Scream
2008
# Grammy Hall Of Fame
* Thriller
* Off The Wall
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Remarkable.
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06-25-2009, 04:52 PM
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#149
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by Pagal4321
I can't believe people can't look past his recent wackiness/oddities/despicable acts to appreciate what he did in the 80s and 90s to help shape the music industry.
But to each their own.
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Do you look past what OJ did to appreciate his football career?
I don't know how one can seperate these things.
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06-25-2009, 04:52 PM
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#150
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagal4321
I can't believe people can't look past his recent wackiness/oddities/despicable acts to appreciate what he did in the 80s and 90s to help shape the music industry.
But to each their own.
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Exactly. He may have done some horrible things (which none of us knows for sure). He may have been the dictionary definition of wierd. But, he definitely made some of the best pop music ever made. He was an icon for sure.
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06-25-2009, 04:53 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Okotoks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagal4321
I can't believe people can't look past his recent wackiness/oddities/despicable acts to appreciate what he did in the 80s and 90s to help shape the music industry.
But to each their own.
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I have a difficult time trying to look past child molestation. ... but to each his own I guess... you apparently don't have the same problem I guess.
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06-25-2009, 04:53 PM
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#152
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Threadkiller
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: 51.0544° N, 114.0669° W
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Originally Posted by troutman
Who really made Thriller? Michael or Quincy Jones?
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Michael. Its well known that Quincy Jones wanted to leave several songs off the album, and produce it in a much less pop-py way.
Last edited by ricosuave; 06-25-2009 at 05:31 PM.
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06-25-2009, 04:53 PM
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#153
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Do you look past what OJ did to appreciate his football career?
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Of course i can. No matter what he did in 94....the previous 20 years he was simply one of the best football players to ever put the pads on. How can one deny that?
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06-25-2009, 04:54 PM
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#154
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troutman
Do you look past what OJ did to appreciate his football career?
I don't know how one can separate these things.
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As a football player, he will always be spoken as an elite player.
As a person, he will always be considered a monster.
Can I seperate the two? Sure, don't see why not.
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06-25-2009, 04:55 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2006
Location: @HOOT250
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Originally Posted by troutman
Who really made Thriller? Michael or Quincy Jones?
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If you watched Dave Chappel you would get the joke.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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06-25-2009, 04:55 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by transplant99
I am aware of that....but the two cases are not comparable IMO...and believe me i am the last person in the world to defend anyone that has anything to do with harming children.
People can think and believe ehat they want, but the fact remains he was tried twice very very aggressively on molestation charges and was acquitted on all of them.
If he did it....he is a monster, no question. I just have no way of knowing for sure....unlike OJ.
At any rate, here is just one list of accomplishments.
Remarkable.
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I think they're relatively comparable...both high profile celebs with millions (?) of dollars to spend on defense lawyers, both charged with horrible acts, both acquitted despite a large portion of the population thinking both were guilty.
And to be honest, I could care less about his accomplishments. He surely was an icon...but if the allegations were true, he deserves no respect IMO.
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06-25-2009, 04:56 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Of course i can. No matter what he did in 94....the previous 20 years he was simply one of the best football players to ever put the pads on. How can one deny that?
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...and actor.
Michael Jackson was definitely weird... but musically and entertainment wise, he was second to none. OJ Simpson could definitely run the ball but was a criminal and possibly a sociopath.
I think it's separable because we're not judging either of them from an overall standpoint... just memories of Jackson.
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06-25-2009, 04:57 PM
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#158
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Everyone's Favorite Oilfan!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Jose, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagal4321
As a football player, he will always be spoken as an elite player.
As a person, he will always be considered a monster.
Can I seperate the two? Sure, don't see why not.
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I agree with this. Jackson will go down as one of the best artists of all time.
As a person, I think he was a complete creepo and think it's disgusting in terms of his actions toward children.
I do consider it a tragic event and hope he rests in peace.
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06-25-2009, 04:57 PM
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#159
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troutman
Do you look past what OJ did to appreciate his football career?
I don't know how one can seperate these things.
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no but i'll remember him for his amazing acting career.
The Naked Gun
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06-25-2009, 04:58 PM
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#160
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: blow me
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun
I have a difficult time trying to look past child molestation. ... but to each his own I guess... you apparently don't have the same problem I guess.
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That was low.
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