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Tron_fdc · 05-05-2009, 10:01 AM

I think the reason I find this so hilarious is because of the way I was raised. I've hunted, killed my food, I've slaughtered cattle and chicken, skinned deer and yes *gasp* shot about a thousand or so gophers because it was fun. I spent my childhood hunting, camping and killing, and I loved every second of it.

That said, I just don't get the people who jump up and down about the inhumane slaughter of animals (especially the tasty ones), wear hemp shoes, and more often than not look down at carnivores like me because I just clubbed a 5 lb trout that I intend to grill for dinner. But whatever, I don't really care. It's justified in my mind and they're not going to change it.

Now excuse me as I plan my dinner, which consists of one very large steak from a steer that was raised, slaughtered and quartered on the family farm, and sent to the local butcher shop in Okotoks to be wrapped.

Drunk Skunk · 05-05-2009, 10:01 AM

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 10:01 AM

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The people who lost work were the first ones to voice concerns in the 80s about the cod stocks despite the governments data and increased investment in fishing. Also the people who over fished the cod were the Spanish and Portugese. There's a reason why if you went to the West coast of Ireland, Cornwall in England and Brittany in France in the late 80's early 90s it wasn't uncommon to see a Canadian flag flying in fishing villages as a show of solidarity against the Spanish fleet.

Primitives evolved into omivores with Canine teeth and a redundant appendix.

Take a look at the panda (order carnivora) and the mess it's got itself into by being a fussy eater. Sooner it goes extinct and gets the Darwin award for animals the better.

Life is life. No? Is it the lack of a nervous system that differentiates it?

Yeah, the Panda is almost extinct because of it's diet, not the fact that is was so poached for it's fur. Do your research!

Nufy · 05-05-2009, 10:01 AM

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I live in the north (but am not Inuit) and am very happy to have seal skin mitts otherwise my hands would freeze!!! Seal tastes good too YUMMY!

I also look very handsome in my seal skin vest!

Whats a good sealskin hat going for these days up there....

LChoy · 05-05-2009, 10:01 AM

I was under the impression that 90% of the seals killed were by rifle and that the hunt is supervised to ensure that it is humane

MrMastodonFarm · 05-05-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's not wrong, did I not post that is a person's choice?? What is wrong is the inhumane way it is done for commercial purposes. Want to eat a cow or pig, great, be my guest but kill the animal fast with no suffering! What is being done is wrong.

Do you think that all slaughter houses are like your video?

Some of that video looked about 20-30 years old.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 05-05-2009, 10:02 AM

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Does anyone find it impossible to nail down a basic value system for vegans?

Yup, that's exactly what I've been trying to get at.
I've had more than a few discussions with them, and they are usually the most annoying people in the world, becuase they usually have such contradictory reasons for why they are vegans.

The only exception is my brother in law's best friend. He's a vegan, and when you talk to him he can have a reasonable discussion about it. He dosn't make arguements like "why test on animals when we can test on death row inmates instead".

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 10:04 AM

Bait me all you like, I am not interested anymore, there is no solution here to continue this discussion.

Resolute 14 · 05-05-2009, 10:04 AM

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See above post, what a weak argument. Your arguing an animal that kills for it's food is the same as a guy walking into a restaurant and gunning down 10 people cause he felt like it or had a bad dday. Ridiculous, try again!

What if he was a cannibal?

MJK · 05-05-2009, 10:04 AM

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Whats a good sealskin hat going for these days up there....

Not many seal skin hats here. Mitts and clothing, like jackets and pants, are more common.

Nufy · 05-05-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's not wrong, did I not post that is a person's choice?? What is wrong is the inhumane way it is done for commercial purposes. Want to eat a cow or pig, great, be my guest but kill the animal fast with no suffering! What is being done is wrong.

A majority of seals are now shot instead of clubbed.

How fast do you want it to be ????

dissentowner · 05-05-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yup, that's exactly what I've been trying to get at.
I've had more than a few discussions with them, and they are usually the most annoying people in the world, becuase they usually have such contradictory reasons for why they are vegans.

The only exception is my brother in law's best friend. He's a vegan, and when you talk to him he can have a reasonable discussion about it. He dosn't make arguements like "why test on animals when we can test on death row inmates instead".

Yup, not reasonable to think it's wrong to test on murderers instead of innocent animals. I wonder if some guy gunned down your child if you would feel the same? Whatever, done with this thread, to many humans are superior to everything and therefore I can play god attitude for me.

ok, ok,....I get it · 05-05-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yup, not reasonable to think it's wrong to test on murderers instead of innocent animals. I wonder if some guy gunned down your child if you would feel the same? Whatever, done with this thread, to many humans are superior to everything and therefore I can play god attitude for me.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-05-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yup, not reasonable to think it's wrong to test on murderers instead of innocent animals. I wonder if some guy gunned down your child if you would feel the same? Whatever, done with this thread, to many humans are superior to everything and therefore I can play god attitude for me.

The vast majority of posts are people asking legitimate questions, trying to understand your position, and you getting in a huff about it.

Resolute 14 · 05-05-2009, 10:09 AM

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I wonder if some guy gunned down your child if you would feel the same

It is a shame that you claim you are leaving the thread, because I am being very much entertained by all of the false dilemmas you are creating.

Nufy · 05-05-2009, 10:10 AM

I think this thread has been relatively tame for 6 pages given the topic..........

Bring_Back_Shantz · 05-05-2009, 10:11 AM

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Bait me all you like, I am not interested anymore, there is no solution here to continue this discussion.

I haven't been trying to bait you, I'm jus trying to make a point about your argument that all living things are equal.
Assuming we can agree that plants don't apply, the difference between you and me isn't that one of us belives that all things are equal and the other doesn't, but where we draw the line.

Unless of course you don't even swat mosquitos.

I draw the line at things thare are delicious, or are a nuissance to me, but that can't talk.
I'll gladly swat a mosquito, or shoot a deer, but i'm not going to shoot a coyote because it isn't bothing me any. And I won't do tests on inmates because I don't think torturing people is right.

You apparently draw the line at things that are cute, up to, but not including death row inmates.
At least my stance isn't riddled with exceptions.

Bagor · 05-05-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's not wrong, did I not post that is a person's choice?? What is wrong is the inhumane way it is done for commercial purposes. Want to eat a cow or pig, great, be my guest but kill the animal fast with no suffering! What is being done is wrong.

Serious question: Do vegans take medication?

Given that the primary stages involves testing on animals.

What do they do when they get ill?

ok, ok,....I get it · 05-05-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Serious question: Do vegans take medication?

Given that the primary stages involves testing on animals.

What do they do when they get ill?

maybe that is the beauty of their lifestyle...they don't get ill......'cause not eating meat is not a positive of it.

Bagor · 05-05-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yeah, the Panda is almost extinct because of it's diet, not the fact that is was so poached for it's fur. Do your research!

Just like you did when you suggested the Newfies were the reason behind N. Atlantic cod depletion.

Anyway ... Back at ya. Poaching is NOT the primary reason the panda is threatened.