Legalized Rape in Afghanistan

[moon]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Really, hmmm. Let's see.

The women must "obey" sexual "demands" and there is no need for "consent".

Only valid reason for her not obeying his demands for sex is illness.

What about the nights she just doesn't plain "feel like it"?
With this law he is within his rights to take (rape) what is "legally" his.

Not women, wives.

It isn't like chicks walking down the street can just be jumped and raped.

Saying that rape is legalized in Afghanistan paints the picture that anyone is able to rape women without any punishment and that is not the case.

It doesn't make the law anything offensive to Westerners but saying that Afghanistan legalized rape is wrong.

[Dion]

The world has gone to hell and a hand basket.

I never thought i'd see the day when rape was legalised.

Support our troops.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by moon

Not women, wives.

So wives are not also women now?

It isn't like chicks walking down the street can just be jumped and raped.

Saying that rape is legalized in Afghanistan paints the picture that anyone is able to rape women without any punishment and that is not the case.

It doesn't make the law anything offensive to Westerners but saying that Afghanistan legalized rape is wrong.

Ok, let's just say what it really is then without using the word rape.

This law strips the right of a wife to say no to sexuual intercourse with her husband.....

Oh yeah, that sounds so much better doesn't it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by First Lady

So wives are not also women now?

They are a section of women but don't represent women as a whole.

Ok, let's just say what it really is then without using the word rape.

This law strips the right of a wife to say no to sexuual intercourse with her husband.....

Oh yeah, that sounds so much better doesn't it.

Who says that it sounded good in the first place.

I said it was a bad law just that it was phrased improperly in the title and subsequent posts.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by moon

I said it was a bad law just that it was phrased improperly in the title and subsequent posts.

Is non-consensual intercourse and rape not the same thing?

If not please explain the difference to me.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by moon

Not women, wives.

It isn't like chicks walking down the street can just be jumped and raped.

Saying that rape is legalized in Afghanistan paints the picture that anyone is able to rape women without any punishment and that is not the case.

It doesn't make the law anything offensive to Westerners but saying that Afghanistan legalized rape is wrong.

Duuuuuuuuuuuude...................

I'm afraid you fail to truly understand what rape really is. It's subjugation and abuse of power. Very little has it to do with sexual gratification. The act of rape is a means to an end.

I never agree with First Lady, but she's absolutely correct.

[CrusaderPi]

Wow, talk about different world colliding. Reggie and First Lady. Wow

Anyone know what it takes to prove a rape over there?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Duuuuuuuuuuuude...................

I'm afraid you fail to truly understand what rape really is. It's subjugation and abuse of power. Very little has it to do with sexual gratification. The act of rape is a means to an end.

I never agree with First Lady, but she's absolutely correct.

I understand what rape is just fine thanks.

its great that you are able to agree with First Lady but it doesn't change the fact that rape is not legal in Afghanistan.

As I said earlier it doesn't change the fact that the law is still terrible by Western standards but saying the rape is now legal in Afghanistan is just not true.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Wow, talk about different world colliding. Reggie and First Lady. Wow

Yeah and it's not even April fools....yet.

As my husband just said; "It doesn't much matter where you fall on the political spectrum (right or left) rape is still rape."

[rubecube]

Good thing we helped to bring stable, rational leadership to the land.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by moon

As I said earlier it doesn't change the fact that the law is still terrible by Western standards but saying the rape is now legal in Afghanistan is just not true.

I don't know how accurate it is, but the quote in the original post says the law "negates the need for sexual consent".

Doesn't that about cover the definition?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by moon

I understand what rape is just fine thanks.

As I said earlier it doesn't change the fact that the law is still terrible by Western standards but saying the rape is now legal in Afghanistan is just not true.

Okay...

Let's say we meet half-way and agree that the overwhelming majority of rape perpetrators are known to the victim. Let's agree that the incidence of so called "street rape" (as you may put it) is statistically insignificant for the simple reason that women are not allowed to walk the streets alone.

Strangers simply do not have the sort of access to "unattended" women in those societies.

I hope you can grasp where I'm going here...

[flylock shox]

I think it legalizes a species of rape. Doesn't it?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Okay...

Let's say we meet half-way and agree that the overwhelming majority of rape perpetrators are known to the victim. Let's agree that the incidence of so called "street rape" (as you may put it) is statistically insignificant for the simple reason that women are not allowed to walk the streets alone.

Strangers simply do not have the sort of access to "unattended" women in those societies.

I hope you can grasp where I'm going here...

I don't know there are a lot of big words there so it is pretty tough to follow but...

It still doesn't change what the law is.

Sure it may cover most incidents but doesn't change the law.

I don't really care that much anyways so I will let everyone be happy with the rape is legal in Afghanistan because however it is phrased it is still a bad law.

Personally I found the way it was worded as a bit over the top and that it is untrue, but if people care that much then go ahead and use the phrase.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Is non-consensual intercourse and rape not the same thing?

If not please explain the difference to me.

The law says(and again none of us have seen the exact wording) that a wife must consent to the sexual demands of her husband. It doesn't say(at least we don't know it does) that a husband has the right to force himself upon his wife if she breaks this law. It might simply mean her husband would have grounds for a divorce if she didn't fulfill his request.

In the Bible Christian couples are exhorted to not deny one another except in the case of mutual consent and even then only for a short period of time so they can devote themselves to God fully. In short: There is no such thing as a Christian headache. But that commandment doesn't convey the right to rape your spouse if he/she doesn't comply. It doesn't even provide grounds for divorce.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

In the Bible Christian couples are exhorted to not deny one another except in the case of mutual consent and even then only for a short period of time so they can devote themselves to God fully. In short: There is no such thing as a Christian headache. But that commandment doesn't convey the right to rape your spouse if he/she doesn't comply. It doesn't even provide grounds for divorce.

What is the bible's position on "The Shocker" being used in marital relations?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't really care that much anyways so I will let everyone be happy with the rape is legal in Afghanistan because however it is phrased it is still a bad law.

Personally I found the way it was worded as a bit over the top and that it is untrue, but if people care that much then go ahead and use the phrase.

Well, that's just awesome. Sounds to me like you're squirming your way out of the argument by claiming you really didn't care after all. Maybe you just shouldn't have waded in at all if you're that non-challant.

Fact is women under the Taliban thumb have virtually no say in their domestic arrangements. They are slaves. They have no recourse to change their situation. This extends to every aspect of their life and includes the bedroom.

It is Rape Nation. They don't need to create a specific law. It is implicit in their charter.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Is non-consensual intercourse and rape not the same thing?

If not please explain the difference to me.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The law says(and again none of us have seen the exact wording) that a wife must consent to the sexual demands of her husband. It doesn't say(at least we don't know it does) that a husband has the right to force himself upon his wife if she breaks this law. It might simply mean her husband would have grounds for a divorce if she didn't fulfill his request.

It doesn't say he can't force himself either. It does say, she has no right to say "no". The law uses language like "obey" and "demands"; one is lead to believe that he is within his means to take whatever steps necessary and it is within his legal right.

In that country a wife would be lucky to get off with just a divorce; more likely punishment would be a stoning.

[johnnyluv]

"That which we call a rape, by any other name would still be disgusting." The thread title isn't wrong, but it can be a little misleading - I figured that courts were refusing to prosecute sexual predators, or something like that (before reading, of course).

[moon]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Well, that's just awesome. Sounds to me like you're squirming your way out of the argument by claiming you really didn't care after all. Maybe you just shouldn't have waded in at all if you're that non-challant.

I am not squirming my way out just don't need to go back and forth in an argument that it appears nobody is going to change their opinion and really in the end both agree that the law is wrong.

I don't see the point in arguing over the semantics of whether saying rape is legal or some rape is legal is really worth it on the CP Off Topic board.

Not non-challant just not going to be bothered arguing petty things. Done that enough on this board to know where it goes. (Nowhere)

Fact is women under the Taliban thumb have virtually no say in their domestic arrangements. They are slaves. They have no recourse to change their situation. This extends to every aspect of their life and includes the bedroom.

It is Rape Nation. They don't need to create a specific law. It is implicit in their charter.

Agree with this and never have said anything to indicate that I did disagree with it.