Traffic throttling by Canadian ISPs not required, experts tell CRTC

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by NHL009

I'm with Shaw and have I-Extreme. I use a Linksys Router. Seems like my torrent download speeds are so slow. Anybody have any links as to why or what I can do to increas them?

Buddy had a similar issie with a Linksys router. When he switched out the router, everything worked fine.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Rathji

This is comical. A torrent user sees the effect torrents have on other people in the network, and suddenly thinks Shaw is to blame.

Torrents open numerous TCP connections. Each connection in the link between you and your modem shares that bandwidth that is provided, this is done by TCP automatically. So you have a nice 5 MBit connection to use, but have 5 torrents downloading that have created ~30 connections (5 per torrent, plus 1 extra per torrent that is constantly checking for a better peer)

So you add on your browser connections, MSN, Vent, and you probably have 40 + TCP connections running at once, all equally sharing that 5Mbit connection. Can you see how programs that are only using 1 connection are getting screwed by it?

This doesn't even factor in that Vent is a probably a bandwidth hog, seeing as it is a voice app over what I am guessing is over TCP (might not be but it doesn't really matter, since it needs big bandwidth either way)

Enough with the torrent rants though.

Usenet laughs at you.

Also for the upload I am a damn leech and limit my upload to 1kb so I don't see the above applying in this case. I have 1MB upload also and when I had the problems with vent I tested it with no other programs running, so i'm not sure

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

And that may be where my problems come in. I think the times that I have had the problems I was stupid in that I had 6-12 torrents going at once.

Ya, you want to approach this with some restraint in mind. I used to que up 6 or more at times and that kinda slowed things down. If you let it work on a few at a time I think you will be more succesful.

I also delete any torrents I have coming in that have finished downloading and only leave up the ones that are still coming in. Think that helps to unclog my connection.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Also for the upload I am a damn leech and limit my upload to 1kb so I don't see the above applying in this case. I have 1MB upload also and when I had the problems with vent I tested it with no other programs running, so i'm not sure

Now I could be wrong but that may be part of your problem. When I started using some of the earlier torrent downloaders, you d/l speed was affected by how much upload bandwidth you gave it. I mean really, if everyone left the d/l wideopen but really closed the taps on the upload, it kinda defeats the purpose of the system.

May be wrong, others will know better than I.

[Raekwon]

Yeah thats understandable but i'm not complaining about the download speeds

[Rathji]

Just some random thoughts on this as I cannot find the specs I am looking for on the Arbor Ellacoya e100 that I am looking for.

Any p2p throttling that is done will be to only affect the the p2p packets themselves. What this does is increase the priority of packets sent in all other connections that you send upstream to the hub site. For throttling to negatively affect other connections seems highly unlikely.

As for your downloading 6-12 torrents at a time, the problem I described with connections sharing bandwidth would be tripled, which means even if you had extreme, your average upload for each connection would be somewhere around 12-14kb/s

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Just some random thoughts on this as I cannot find the specs I am looking for on the Arbor Ellacoya e100 that I am looking for.

Any p2p throttling that is done will be to only affect the the p2p packets themselves. What this does is increase the priority of packets sent in all other connections that you send upstream to the hub site. For throttling to negatively affect other connections seems highly unlikely.

As for your downloading 6-12 torrents at a time, the problem I described with connections sharing bandwidth would be tripled, which means even if you had extreme, your average upload for each connection would be somewhere around 12-14kb/s

Right, 12-14kb/s over a 1mb upload is very minimal. Also I don't run torrent programs when I have the ventrillo problem, in fact I've tried running no other programs but vent. While i'm logged into a vent server and getting incoming audio or just sitting idle my ping is about 50-60 as soon as I push to transmit my ping jumps to 30000+. I'm just looking for possible theories as to why this would happen

[Hack&Lube]

It's simply...if you are playing games, close your torrents! Or use Usenet since you won't have to upload anything! :P

[BlackArcher101]

The issue of pings increasing during and after torrent use and using it backup a claim of throttling by an ISP is invalid. For the years and years and years I've heard claims of Shaw throttling torrents, I have yet to experience them myself and I've lived in Lethbridge, Calgary, Edmonton and now Red Deer. I can download movies at nearly 1mb/s, usually around 700 kb/s on average and uploads stay fairly high as well. No special port fowarding and using the default ports all the time.

Months ago I was having issues with my internet becoming unusable and had to restart the router in order to surf again. This would happen on two or more torrents, sometimes just one. I just lived with it, thought maybe Shaw was doing something on their end too... until I did some reasearch. I came across the open TCP connections already mentioned about in this thread and I soon found my problem. My Linksys router by default keeps a TCP connection open for a long time, even after I shutdown uTorrent. Since they were kept open, everytime I started another download even more connections would be active and soon the router would reach it's limit. So I cut the connection time to a much lower number and increased the number of TCP connections allowed. Now it's going even faster and I can do mulitple things at the same time with no detriment on speed.

My torrents were using over 600 TCP connections!!!!!