Ann Coulter on teachers

[llama64]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Did you actually read the whole article or just the funny bit about teachers? Her being offensive, does not take away from the fact that she is right.

I really don't need to read anything by Ann Coulter. I've read enough in the past. Her opinion is based entirely on shock, willful ignorance and outright stupidity.

And if you're referring to how Public Education is a failure, then no, she is not right. Not even close.

The only thing she gets right in that article is the whining about how Obama is in the news for every little thing he gets. Yeah, it's annoying, but any idiot off the street could say the same thing.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by peter12

I've actually been seriously considering a move to teaching after I finish my Masters. I just don't think it would be intellectually stimulating enough, plus all the administrative rigour would be a bore.

But I do think that enlightened teaching is one of the highest callings of humanity.

I would whole heartedly agree with that.

Unfortunately it's bogged down by administrative burocracy, petty "associations" and far too much politics for it's own good. But so is the case in just about every human pursuit. Corporate offices are none the better and don't get me started about high academia.

There are many ways that teaching can be intellectually stimulating. There are studies, programs, initiatives funded by both public and private sources aimed at furthing the profession of teaching. Get involved with those in addition to the teaching career and you will probably find a far more fullfilling life then the average "business" person.

But that's just my raging opinion

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by stang

No I got a thing for crazy blondes...

Ex. my wife.

Crazy blonds, that look like dudes.

[BlackEleven]

I wonder how many hours a day Ann Coulter puts in?

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

I wonder how many hours a day Ann Coulter puts in?

and how much money she makes?

[stang]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

She is a man, man!!

I guess you can't really pick and choose up in Edmonton. hehe.

I dont live in Edmonton..

[bcb]

Based on his comments in several threads, I think DESS is actually Sean Avery in Disguise!

Either that, or Ann Coulter...

[tanguay'sstillgood]

Originally Posted by DESS

Oh please, we all know what teachers do. It's the only profession I was able to job shadow five days a week, five hours a day for 12 straight years.

Teaching is a joke. These people work 3/4 days, 2/3s of the year yet earn at least 100% of a salary. Not to mention it's got to be one of the only jobs on the planet where you can pretty much map out exactly what you'll make from the age of 21 until the day you die. Yes, teachers always conveniently forget that they will continue to get paid for their easy job for ~30 years after they last teach a class. You know exactly what you're getting into from a salary perspective so STFU once you're in it. I mean you can't honestly think you'll be a millionaire teaching grade 4 for 25 years, nor can you possibly think you'd deserve it.

Schools should all be open year round so we can maximise use of these expensive facilities and for once get our (taxpayers') money's worth out of these over-priced civil servants. Students would be split into two groups, so at any given time one of the two groups would be in class. Teachers start out with two weeks' holidays like the rest of us, and work up to four weeks over a 10-year period.

THAT would be fair.

You're the "exterminate all bears" guy, right? I think I'll go ahead and continue valuing your opinions as much as I would a 14 year old crack head's.

[tanguay'sstillgood]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I kind of agree with DESS. Every future teacher I talk to is so excited about having an awesome salary complete with less hours and a mammoth summer break.

Well, I hope they have fun working 60 and 70 hour weeks when they finally realize their dreams.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by tanguay'sstillgood

Well, I hope they have fun working 60 and 70 hour weeks when they finally realize their dreams.

lol, you've got to be kidding.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by DESS

lol, you've got to be kidding.

Absolutely true! First year teachers put in HUGE hours. My wife teaches and her first day off in her first year was during Christmas vacation. And I am sure that they will enjoy the nice chunk of pay that they get taken off every month so that they can "get paid for 30 years after they last teach a class" (that is if there is any money left in the pension plan by then) and to pay their student loans for the last 4 or 5 years.

[moon]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Absolutely true! First year teachers put in HUGE hours. My wife teaches and her first day off in her first year was during Christmas vacation.

Some first year teachers put in huge hours. Others coast through their first year doing the bare minimum.

[MelBridgeman]

Both my parents were teachers...I will say this, kids of teachers make better lovers.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by moon

Some first year teachers put in huge hours. Others coast through their first year doing the bare minimum.

Sounds like... every other profession I've ever heard of.

Lazyiness is endemic to everything. Picking on teachers is just plain ignorant.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by DESS

lol, you've got to be kidding.

Stop speaking out of ignorance. Either you have no idea what you're talking about, you're generalizing an entire profession based on some jaded experience you had in CBE or you are a sensationalist like Ann Coulter that undercuts any rational or reasonable opinion you may have.

This has been alluded to by another poster(s) (perhaps Vlad): it's not necessarily the profession that's the problem, it's the union. On top of that (borrowing again from another poster) it's parents unrealistic expectations of teachers and an unwillingness to do their part in education.

There are lots, I would wager a strong majority, that put in 60+ hours a week to lesson planning, grading, report cards, meetings, extra cirricular activites, etc... You never saw it because after school you went home. Some teachers may have left at the same time you did, and you base all of your opinion evidence on them. Did you see what they did when they got home? Perhaps they worked for another 5+ hours at home grading. Did you see them on weekends?

I get that you think there are a lot of perks to teaching and you don't think it's as tough as the profession you currently hold. I also get that you think a lot of teachers skate by on minimal effort. This is true. But it's also true of every single other profession - including yours and mine.

So until you walk a mile in a teacher's shoes and can truly speak from experience rather than broad conclusions based on your observations as a student....STFU.

[tanguay'sstillgood]

Originally Posted by DESS

lol, you've got to be kidding.

Not at all...but shouldn't you already know this? You did job shadow for a few hours/day!

[Phanuthier]

Quite frankly ... there are lots of lazy people in every profession. How many of us piss around our day on CP at work?

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Stop speaking out of ignorance. Either you have no idea what you're talking about, you're generalizing an entire profession based on some jaded experience you had in CBE or you are a sensationalist like Ann Coulter that undercuts any rational or reasonable opinion you may have.

This has been alluded to by another poster(s) (perhaps Vlad): it's not necessarily the profession that's the problem, it's the union. On top of that (borrowing again from another poster) it's parents unrealistic expectations of teachers and an unwillingness to do their part in education.

There are lots, I would wager a strong majority, that put in 60+ hours a week to lesson planning, grading, report cards, meetings, extra cirricular activites, etc... You never saw it because after school you went home. Some teachers may have left at the same time you did, and you base all of your opinion evidence on them. Did you see what they did when they got home? Perhaps they worked for another 5+ hours at home grading. Did you see them on weekends?

I get that you think there are a lot of perks to teaching and you don't think it's as tough as the profession you currently hold. I also get that you think a lot of teachers skate by on minimal effort. This is true. But it's also true of every single other profession - including yours and mine.

So until you walk a mile in a teacher's shoes and can truly speak from experience rather than broad conclusions based on your observations as a student....STFU.

You couldn't be more wrong. There are 52 weeks in a year for which teachers get paid a full-time salary. Of those weeks, they work ~36. Even if they put in a 60-70 hour week (which is an absolute fabrication and I can't even believe I'm entertaining such an assinine notion), average that out over the 0 hours per week they work on the 16 weeks they're not teaching and it becomes quite obvious and yet again, they work less than everybody else that works 40 hours per week.

But wait, people in corporate jobs don't work 40 hours a week. My experience in corporate jobs had me on call weekends and I'd often be at the office until 1 or 2 in the morning...even put in a couple of all-nighters. You would never be able to find anybody in a corporate job that works less hours per year than a teacher.

May I ask a question and I sincerely don't mean to be rude, but are you ######ed?

[moon]

Originally Posted by llama64

Sounds like... every other profession I've ever heard of.

Lazyiness is endemic to everything. Picking on teachers is just plain ignorant.

Where did I say it wasn't like other professions?

I am pointing out that all teachers aren't worked to the bone, slaving over crazy hours and being screwed out of a social life.

Sure some teachers work hard but it isn't like that is a requirement of the job or something that you have to do to be successful.

Like every job if you want to go the extra mile it takes extra time. Teachers aren't any different in this area.

[driveway]

God damn I miss blue squares.