Getting arrested by the Transit Police

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Only if they witness an indictable offense, are paid to watch a property and a crime happens on that property (security) or if the police are in pursuit of someone... something like that. They must be turned over to the cops.

I worked at Canadian Tire in Lethbridge and I often helped the security guards make arrests. I even made one on my own. All of the arrests I was involved in were done on property but we did chase down shoplifters a few blocks away and I know of a few that people were arrested off of the store property.

We couldn't arrest somebody for shoplifting unless somebody who works for the store witnessed the person stealing.

[MelBridgeman]

My buddy got arrested for a non paid C-Train fine...back in the early 90's...BY the CPS..they put him in the drunk tank...and then his mother deported him to NFLD for a year.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Again, read the signage. Downtown (7th ave) is a "Free fare zone".

You don't have to pay to ride the train downtown, ergo, you don't a need pass to be on the platform.

Edit: Damn, beaten

I dont take the train anymore and honestly I didnt read the signage.

It does seem peculiar that there are ticket purchase machines at a station like Banff Trail or North-hill Mall, if you can get fined for going in that area without a ticket.

Or are these stations in the magical "no signage" realm. What about the Dome station, its pretty clear that is a station, with the platform in the middle, and yet there are ticket purchase machines there. Why have them there if you can be ticketed for no ticket on those platforms.

If I ever got a ticket on a platform I would be might pissed. One could argue entrapment at those stations considering you need a ticket to be there, yet they sell tickets where you can be ticketed for not having a ticket?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Buff

We couldn't arrest somebody for shoplifting unless somebody who works for the store witnessed the person stealing.

Exactly, you can 'detain' anyone if you have witnessed them committing an offense. That also means you are a)Liable for unlawful detainment b)Liable to get your ass whooped if you aren't in a position of authority

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But I'm cute and Asian and always look away from cops and I've never been checked for a ticket on the C-Train ever!

Trying running the other direction yelling, "Oh no, I don't have a ticket!" That'll get their attention.

Actually, you might just want to walk at a leisurely pace, some of those transit cops are a little out of shape.

(meanwhile, deperate male c-puckers who don't know what green font means are madly sending date offers to GirlySports, lol)

Or...was that green font to throw off all the desperate c-puckers who KNOW what green font means? hmmm....

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I dont take the train anymore and honestly I didnt read the signage.

It does seem peculiar that there are ticket purchase machines at a station like Banff Trail or North-hill Mall, if you can get fined for going in that area without a ticket.

Or are these stations in the magical "no signage" realm. What about the Dome station, its pretty clear that is a station, with the platform in the middle, and yet there are ticket purchase machines there. Why have them there if you can be ticketed for no ticket on those platforms.

If I ever got a ticket on a platform I would be might pissed. One could argue entrapment at those stations considering you need a ticket to be there, yet they sell tickets where you can be ticketed for not having a ticket?

The ticket dispensers at these stations aren't technically on the platform, which is why you maddeningly have to walk to one end or the other to buy a ticket.

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

My buddy got arrested for a non paid C-Train fine...back in the early 90's...BY the CPS..they put him in the drunk tank...and then his mother deported him to NFLD for a year.

Did Newfoundland become a seperate country again?

[Russic]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I dont take the train anymore and honestly I didnt read the signage.

It does seem peculiar that there are ticket purchase machines at a station like Banff Trail or North-hill Mall, if you can get fined for going in that area without a ticket.

Or are these stations in the magical "no signage" realm. What about the Dome station, its pretty clear that is a station, with the platform in the middle, and yet there are ticket purchase machines there. Why have them there if you can be ticketed for no ticket on those platforms.

If I ever got a ticket on a platform I would be might pissed. One could argue entrapment at those stations considering you need a ticket to be there, yet they sell tickets where you can be ticketed for not having a ticket?

The dome station is the first station south of the free fare zone, so you cannot be on that platform without a ticket (plus you can't get to the platform without passing toll machines).

You do make a reasonable point about platforms such as Banff trail, Sunnyside and the one at north hill where the machines are on the platforms themselves. I assume that riders are to buy their tickets as soon as they arrive.

edit: I see psycnet says the machines are not on the platforms ... I thought they were

[Bagor]

Convict and deport her. Not for breaking the law or fare avoidance.

For being completely stupid and having a complete inability to take responsibility for her actions.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

My buddy got arrested for a non paid C-Train fine...back in the early 90's...BY the CPS..they put him in the drunk tank...and then his mother deported him to NFLD for a year.

sounds like a canadian version of "fresh prince of bel-air" being setup here.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by troutman

Can't anyone make an arrest? Citizen's arrest?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest

A citizen's arrest is an arrest made by a person who is not acting as a sworn law enforcement official.[1] In common law jurisdictions, the practice dates back to medievalEngland and the English common law, when sheriffs encouraged ordinary citizens to help apprehend law breakers.

Canada
Section 494. (Criminal Code)[6]
(1) ARREST WITHOUT WARRANT BY ANY PERSON
Any one may arrest without warrant
(a) a person whom he finds committing an indictable offence; or
(b) a person who, on resonable grounds, he believes
(i) has committed a criminal offence, and
(ii) is escaping from and freshly pursued by persons who have lawful authority to arrest that person

Actually Transit cops now are considered 'Peace Officers' and have similar powers as real police. I had to pay a transit ticket once for losing my transfer a while back. The official offense is 'failure to produce valid payment' or something like that. So even if you find your ticket later it is still a violation. They told me that if I didn't pay or show up on the specified date that I would be arrested by the police. Now I always buy the tickets from grocery stores and keep the validated ones in my wallet so I never lose one again.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Exactly, you can 'detain' anyone if you have witnessed them committing an offense. That also means you are a)Liable for unlawful detainment b)Liable to get your ass whooped if you aren't in a position of authority

Oh yeah, I remember working in retail as a kid and someone stole something, and you have that co-worker that shouts: "Stop him!"

Yeah right. If he wants it bad enough to steal it he can have it, I'm not wasting my time chasing down some middle-age guy who stole a plunger or whatever for my $7/hr part time job. Chasing down shoplifters was not in the job description when I applied.

Its one thing if he runs, if he stays to fight I'm totally screwed...call a manager or something.

As for the transit cops though, I guess years of abuse and disrespect have caught up to these people and they're finally had it and they're taking punks down hard.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by cyclone3483

Or...was that green font to throw off all the desperate c-puckers who KNOW what green font means? hmmm....

Or maybe it was a desperate cry for some good ol' male attention

I keeed! I keeed! gong sui ja!

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The ticket dispensers at these stations aren't technically on the platform, which is why you maddeningly have to walk to one end or the other to buy a ticket.

I thought there were ones in the middle at Banff Trail, I might be mistaken as its been about 7 years since I have used that station.

After the first month I used passes so it didnt really matter. With the exception of Flames Games or Stamps games I have never seen Transit cops on platforms.

And I was a fairly regular user of the Train when I did, I would say about 11 round trips per week.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

sounds like a canadian version of "fresh prince of bel-air" being setup here.

Yeah, but instead of a mansion and pretty ladies all around, you get sent to live with your Uncle Phil on his fishing boat with 6 of his brothers. But man, you have a point. Why isn't CBC picking up on this show? It'd be way better than Little Mosque on the Prarie. He could be the "Fresh Prince of Belle Isle"

From West Edmonton Born and Raised...beat up by tranny Oiler fans most of his days...

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Yeah, but instead of a mansion and pretty ladies all around, you get sent to live with your Uncle Phil on his fishing boat with 6 of his brothers.

minor details. hah

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by Locke

As for the transit cops though, I guess years of abuse and disrespect have caught up to these people and they're finally had it and they're taking punks down hard.

You've had your run ins with them, haven't you?

[Ducay]

But does anyone know they'd actually charge you with?
I don't think 'failure to produce valid payment' is in the criminal code....

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh yeah, I remember working in retail as a kid and someone stole something, and you have that co-worker that shouts: "Stop him!"

Yeah right. If he wants it bad enough to steal it he can have it, I'm not wasting my time chasing down some middle-age guy who stole a plunger or whatever for my $7/hr part time job. Chasing down shoplifters was not in the job description when I applied.

Its one thing if he runs, if he stays to fight I'm totally screwed...call a manager or something.

As for the transit cops though, I guess years of abuse and disrespect have caught up to these people and they're finally had it and they're taking punks down hard.

That was the funnest part of the job! But it could be dangerous. I've seen guys try to fight. One guy was searched by police and they found knuckle dusters on him... good thing he didn't get them out. Another time one of the security guards, a rather large guy and a former RCMP officer, went to make an arrest. He remembers following the culprit out of the store, and then he remembers a bunch of people standing around him asking if he was alright. He was knocked out with one punch but doesn't remember even talking to the guy.

I could tell more, but I'm derailing.

[Bobblehead]

If she already had a ticket that she has refused to pay, could she have been charged with trespassing?