2008 College Football Thread

[Gugstanley]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

If Utah wants to continue to be a legit program, develop your other sports and join the Pac-10. No matter how much whining people do, MAC, WAC, etc... conferences will not be given preference over bigger, established conferences... right or wrong.

Hopefully the Pac 10 will expand espcially if the BCS forces a conference playoff game on each conference. Utah's basketball team is rebuilding and can compete in the pac 10,Womens BB is competitive, and they are a national power in gymnastics (if anyone cares). Not like Arizona scares many people these days so they should be fine

If it is so easy for Utah to join these other conferences would you guys please call the Utah AD and assist with the process.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by troutman

Agreed, but would you bet your own nfotiu $ on Utah beating USC? I wouldn't.

would you have bet it on them vs. Bama?

[Gugstanley]

Originally Posted by troutman

Agreed, but would you bet your own nfotiu $ on Utah beating USC? I wouldn't.

I would bet my $ on it also on them beating Florida. It would be an even series this year and would have been in 2004.

Was in Florida yesterday. Tons of fans from both teams very passionate about their teams. That is whats so fun about sports. On the plane ride in listening to Florida and OU fans arguing over who was going to win and why was funny. Just like on this board you can't win one of those arguements.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So this shows us why the Big 12 and the Big 10 were so over rated all year IMO. Both exposed that once out of conference they along with the ACC wer very average overall.


http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/16343161/

I don't see how that's accurate at all.

Bowl records are a terrible way to judge a conference's strength. With so much time in between the end of the season and the bowl games it's almost a season upon itself. Most bowl games come down to coaching as both team's have a month to prepare a complex gameplan they couldn't dream of putting together during the regular season.

An easy example of this is Georgia Tech dominating Georgia on the road (regardless of what the score finished at, Ga Tech dominated that game) and then get schooled by LSU. If Ga Tech plays LSU in early December it's a much different game. LSU doesn't get to put together a gameplan for the option and doesn't have a month practicing discipline and staying on their assignments.

Even so, just looking at a conference's bowl record simplifies the matter greatly. There's games like South Florida/Memphis in there that pad a conference's record. Not all the match-ups are equal. Penn State didn't have much of a chance against USC, but put them against Va Tech or Cincinnati and they beat the crap out of them. Same goes for Ohio State. Conference bowl records are usually just a matter of whether the match-ups go your way or not.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

They keep bringing up the Franks comment.

Is it REALLY that outlandish of a statement?

Bradford, McCoy, Harrell.

That's not a huge leap. I'm sorry.

I was going to post the same thing before the game, but I never got a chance.

All 3 of the Big 12 guys were at the Heisman Trophy Presentation. Is it really much of a stretch to say all of them are better than Tebow?

It's funny how over-hyped Tebow's performance was last night. He had a great finish, but everyone seems to forget his 2 picks. If his defense doesn't bail him out (and if OU actually calls some smart plays in red zone) those picks are the difference in the game and OU more than likely wins. But Bradford gets ripped for two picks that his receivers should have caught.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

If you look at the 3 top teams, and their records against teams in the final rankings. Utah's is the most impressive, no matter how you slice it. USC does not deserve consideration:

Utah
no losses
wins against 6,7,18,25

Florida
lost to 14
wins against 5,6,13,21

USC
lost to 18
wins against 8,9,10

But this is flawed. Florida beat Bama when they were number one they beat LSU when they were 4th and beat them down UGA when they were 6th beat them down.#20 FSU beat them down. and Number 1 OU.

so it would be like this
Florida.
Loss to Ole miss Unranked at the time
Wins #4LSU #6UGA #20 FSU #1 Bama #1 OU

Utah
no losses
wins #11 TCU (3 point win) #14 BYU #4 Bama.

USC
Losses OSU unranked at the time
wins #5 Ohio state #23 Oregon #21 Cal #8 PSU

so look at that florida beat 4 top ten teams and 2 number ones. I think your point is flawed. these were the rankings as the teams played not the final rankings.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

Not like Arizona scares many people these days so they should be fine

If it is so easy for Utah to join these other conferences would you guys please call the Utah AD and assist with the process.

No need to get smart. Arizona doesn't scare people at what? Gymnastics?

I never said it was easy. The problem for Utah is they play in a small, easily over looked conference. If they played in the Pac-10 or other large conference, they would be national champs right now. In the opinion of those that matter, Florida's conference position and membership means more.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by PIMking

But this is flawed. Florida beat Bama when they were number one they beat LSU when they were 4th and beat them down UGA when they were 6th beat them down.#20 FSU beat them down. and Number 1 OU.

so it would be like this
Florida.
Loss to Ole miss Unranked at the time
Wins #4LSU #6UGA #20 FSU #1 Bama #1 OU

Utah
no losses
wins #11 TCU (3 point win) #14 BYU #4 Bama.

USC
Losses OSU unranked at the time
wins #5 Ohio state #23 Oregon #21 Cal #8 PSU

so look at that florida beat 4 top ten teams and 2 number ones. I think your point is flawed. these were the rankings as the teams played not the final rankings.

Your way of looking at it is flawed.

Why should Florida get credit for beating a #4 in LSU when it's quite apparent now that they were vastly over-ranked in the pre-season polls and didn't even finish in the top 25 of the AP poll?

Auburn started the season at #10. Tennessee at #18. They both finished 5-7. It's pretty obvious that the SEC was over-rated at the start of the season. Florida shouldn't benefit from that.

[Gugstanley]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...yer-utah_N.htm Urban Meyer still loves the Utes. The coach that voted for Utah, in the coaches poll, has been identified.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...yer-utah_N.htm Urban Meyer still loves the Utes. The coach that voted for Utah, in the coaches poll, has been identified.

Utah's coach? What's surprising about that?

[transplant99]

Bowl records are a terrible way to judge a conference's strength

Well since its really the one time the vast majority of games that have teams playing OOC, then I think it says a whole bunch.

What difference does it make how long it is between games...its the same for both teams.

And you love to bang on USC...I dont blame you as it has become quite fashionable to do so, but the truth is they lost one game all year....to a team that won 9 games. Their defense was the best the NCAA has seen in over 50 years.

The coaches know better than those who vote in the AP poll who is more worthy of the higher rankings...and who did they vote #2 again? Florida is full marks for being NC....but man would I love to see USC play them...in fact I would love to see USC or Florida play Utah as well. i have a feeling it would be a pretty definative answer as to whether they belong in the mix or not....geez a playoff system really is a bad idea i guess.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

So my "transitive property of football" (or whatever you said) logic doesnt work but your arguing that your logic does? You just said head to head is the only thing that matters and thats why you think Texas is better than Oklahoma but you still say UT is better than tech ( whom if you dont remember beat Texas head to head)

Well after watching Texas play ohio state im thinking you might be wrong about a rematch.... If Ou's offense is even half of what it was during the season its twice as better than what Ohio state had out there, hell their starting qb was struggling hitting his warm up partner much less receivers on the field. I guess I cant really sway your argument but it doesnt really matter seeing as how Oklahoma is in the National title game and Texas isnt. That really gives our BCS answer, Oklahoma is better than Texas because the Natonial Title game is played between #1 and #2 ..... Whether you like it or not thats just the way it is ....

The head to head match up thing only should be deciding factor between 2 similar strengthed teams. Looking at Tech now they obviously weren't the same calibre. Also Oregon St. is not better than USC. If two teams have the exact same record then the tie breaker should be head to head not some silly formula. That's also why I said that I wouldn't have minded if Tech went instead of us.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Your theory would say Utah would have to be because they didnt get beat by anyone and we all know Utah isnt because they didnt play any of the "big boys"

Actually we don't all know this. Utah could very well be the best team.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He hasn't decided yet...one way or the other and the fact that both Moreno and Stafford have declared may help him decide to stay. Or have you the inside information that every major sports reporter wants?



On offense? One if Sanchez stays.

On defense? 6 if Mays goes.

I read today that you are losing all linebackers 3, 3 of 4 defensive line, and up to 3 of secondary, Mays going pro and Pinkard fighting for 6th year of eligibilty. So that could be 9. That along with OC and DC will be a hell of a task even with USC's talent.

[PIMking]

Tebow is coming back next year with Harvin leaning towards staying also. Thats great for the gators. Now if Spikes stays this team will be scary good next year.

[moon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Tebow is coming back next year with Harvin leaning towards staying also. Thats great for the gators. Now if Spikes stays this team will be scary good next year.

Not worth it for them to take the drop in salary in the NFL when they still can collect the big paydays in Gainesville.

[Sainters7]

I'm usually in the "you should stay in school" camp, but I'm not surprised at all(nor do I blame him) to see Crabtree declare early. At this point his stock has nowhere to go but down by staying another year(or two), especially with Harrell graduating. I can't wait to see him in the pros next year.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by moon

Not worth it for them to take the drop in salary in the NFL when they still can collect the big paydays in Gainesville.

every team does that. Its just a matter if you get caught. or found like bush but no one seems to care since they are the espn's darling.

[tvp2003]

Bradford decides to return to OU next year... then Sanchez chooses to leave USC and enter the NFL Draft. Any thoughts?

[ResAlien]

Chime in with my two cents regarding the Utah / Non BCS schools getting respect. Really all they can do is play a schedule that is above average in difficulty. Granted Utah didn't know Michigan would suck this year, but the non BCS conferences will need to try and get as many "name" schools on their out of conference schedules. Other than that, I know those conferences have long term plans to become BCS schools, the head of the Mountain West was on the radio here the other day talking about it. Until then, they will continue to get overlooked and underrated.