Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Do you have any idea what the word "coup" means?

No one would be getting in bed with anyone else in this scenario...and people become independants all the time.....in fact what are you talking about in general?

Well if I take your example it's just parroting the word in almost everyone of your posts over the course of this thread.
But:A sudden appropriation of leadership or power.
As you can see nowhere in that description is it contigent upon getting into bed with anyone. Getting into bed with people isn't what makes something a coup.
I think some people have suggesed that what was proposed isn't in the spirit of democracy, but illegal?
My point is that if suddenly there's a reversal of fortune for the Harper government, somethign that was specifically voted for by the populace, I wonder if there will be the same outrage about it. But there's specifically been a lot of outrage about that here. That what was voted for isn't going to happen so would the converse be true?

[Smyth's Skate]

Originally Posted by Slava

Before I even say this, let me say that would be an enormous reason why the deal should not go through!

But is the source a Quebec Cabinet minister as in CPC Cabinet Minister? If so, then I think that I would want to hear this from someone a little less involved.

It was the leader of the Parti Qwabecwa (Quebecois)

[Slava]

^ That is far from a Quebec Cabinet Minister than. Provincially they aren't in power, and I still want to hear from another source before I'd believe it. If this guy knows about this don't you think that Harper and Co. do as well?

Clearly if that is true this will be public in better sources than an un-named opposition provincial MP....

[C_Rush]

Is there anything to substantiate Duffy's claims about the 1.3 billion bribe to Quebec? If there's traction on that rumor, then the GG needs to seriously weigh the actual motivations of the coalition against the best interests of Canadians. To hand power to a coalition promoting a man for PM who was just rejected by voters, backed by secret dealings and billion dollar bribes would be irresponsible on Jean's part IMO. I still think the best way out of this (as distaste as it is) is go back to the polls with all the political cards on the table and let the voters decide. If the Conservatives are toppled by the public vote then, so be life.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ That is far from a Quebec Cabinet Minister than. Provincially they aren't in power, and I still want to hear from another source before I'd believe it. If this guy knows about this don't you think that Harper and Co. do as well?

Clearly if that is true this will be public in better sources than an un-named opposition provincial MP....

My bad, she is the PQ leader not a cabinet minister. However, the leader of the PQ may be closer to the BQ leadership (and closer to coalition negotiations) than anyone from Jean Charest's Liberal cabinet.

Here is her profile:

http://canadaonline.about.com/od/que...linemarois.htm

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Here is the Mike Duffy clip:

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/cons...os/#clip118019

Of course Quebec's going to get a huge payoff for supporting this unholy union ... I never thought for a second that they were doing it for their love of Canada. They're doing it for their love of an independent Quebec of course, and a little more federal money just helps them advance their agenda. And $1.3 billion? The only surprise to me is that the figure isn't higher. Then again, it probably is.

Elizabeth May as environment minister? No surprise to me there either. I predicted that about 50 pages back.

The only real surprise to me is that the Separatist Coalition actually has the nerve to trot out Jacques Parizeau to help sell this bill of goods to Quebecers.

As for the source of the $1.3 billion bribe story, didn't Duffy say it was Pauline Marois, leader of the PQ? That's a pretty credible source.

This is all so fubar'ed I don't know how anyone can still support this disgusting display of greed and disregard for the nation, for democracy, indeed for the rule of law. The coalition members are nothing but a bunch of liars and traitors. Too bad treason isn't still rewarded with a firing squad, because that's what Layton and Dion deserve. I can't blame Duceppe for this ... he's only being true to his mandate. But Dion, Layton and all the MPs who are their "loyal supporters" are all traitors.

Excuse me, I need to go grab an emesis bag.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

The only real surprise to me is that the Separatist Coalition actually has the nerve to trot out Jacques Parizeau to help sell this bill of goods to Quebecers.

But only the pur laine type. None of those ethnic quebecers

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Nancy

My bad, she is the PQ leader not a cabinet minister. However, the leader of the PQ may be closer to the BQ leadership (and closer to coalition negotiations) than anyone from Jean Charest's Liberal cabinet.

Here is her profile:

http://canadaonline.about.com/od/que...linemarois.htm

Thanks, and for sure that is a credible source! Well, count me onside as a guy who thinks that this should never happen under these circumstances.

[jolinar of malkshor]

I can't believe that Rae and Michael are supporting this. Why are these guys such ######s following this friggen moron Dion down the path of destruction? Dion is like the pied piper and everyone is following him off the edge of destruction. Why would they want anything to do with this? They are just cowards to afraid that if they speak up against Dion they may alienate some possible supports for the leadership race.

This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Or you could show him/her this.

http://causes.ca/coalition

235 signatures

Ha ... it's gone up to 252 in the last 2 hours and 15 minutes or so. That's all they can muster in support of the Separatist Coalition. Rather an underwhelming show of support I'd say. I wonder what they're using for a server to handle that torrential volume ... a Commadore 64? Maybe a Tandy.

[browna]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I can't believe that Rae and Michael are supporting this. Why are these guys such ######s following this friggen moron Dion down the path of destruction? This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

Easy...the Liberal party is broke and if the 3 headed strategists have calculated everything properly(), this party will rule with a Liberal leader for 30 months...Rae or Ignaltieff won't have to spend a dime of their own money or the party's money in an election. That is, if money's more important then honor...in Rae's case, that's a no brainer.

Worst case scenario, and things go bad with or without this seperatist coaltion, they can throw Dion under the bus (as they did within 5 mins of the election already anyways) and talk about a brand new, improved, Liberal party.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by browna

Easy...the Liberal party is broke and if the 3 headed strategists have calculated everything properly(), this party will rule with a Liberal leader for 30 months...Rae or Ignaltieff won't have to spend a dime of their own money or the party's money in an election. That is, if money's more important then honor...in Rae's case, that's a no brainer.

Worst case scenario, and things go bad with or without this seperatist coaltion, they can throw Dion under the bus (as they did within 5 mins of the election already anyways) and talk about a brand new, improved, Liberal party.

Good points, but I think they have underestimated how much of a backlash this will have on the liberal party. NDP not so much, they could care less how they come to power as long as the most evil person in the world (Harper) is ousted. But the libs? I give a lot more credit to Liberal thinkig people, they can be swayed with reason. And a lot of them will not be happy with the Liberal party for a long time to come no matter who is running it.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Good points, but I think they have underestimated how much of a backlash this will have on the liberal party. NDP not so much, they could care less how they come to power as long as the most evil person in the world (Harper) is ousted. But the libs? I give a lot more credit to Liberal thinkig people, they can be swayed with reason. And a lot of them will not be happy with the Liberal party for a long time to come no matter who is running it.

Exactly. So many were saying just this halfway through the first thread....that there is absolutely no way this doesn't blow up in the Liberal's face long term.

I gained massive respect for Harper today. He came across extraordinarily strong, calm and intelligent in the Q&A session. 12 hours ago I was thinking he might just have to go to put this behind us, now I want to give him a majority!

[metallicat]

My short lived respect for the electorate is over: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

My short lived respect for the electorate is over: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

Just lose respect for online polls.

[redforever]

^^^^^

I saw this article earlier and one thing that was nice to know.......

Only 34% of the people surveyed supported the $1.95 subsidy the parties get from the federal govt.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Just lose respect for online polls.

I don't think this was a simple poll on a website though, this seems to be more of a legit poll done by Angus, albeit online in some way.

[browna]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Good points, but I think they have underestimated how much of a backlash this will have on the liberal party. NDP not so much, they could care less how they come to power as long as the most evil person in the world (Harper) is ousted. But the libs? I give a lot more credit to Liberal thinkig people, they can be swayed with reason. And a lot of them will not be happy with the Liberal party for a long time to come no matter who is running it.

Well, I do think there has to be a faction of Liberals that are pulling their hair out seeing Dion flail away in the Commons the last couple days.
On the face, they still have to show as much strength as they've got, and using Dion as a guinea pig to see how the coaltion talk goes.
Clearly, after only a few days, its not quite as popular as the Liberals hoped, and sliding a new guy into Dion's chair as PM has to be slim to none that this seperatist coaltion with last until May, if at all.
Again though, let Dion take the heat this week and dont damage the next leadserhiip hopefulls as much as possible, while still holding onto the strings of a united party. If you're the Liberals best thing to do is to not go along with this coaltion, regroup, reorganize, get a charasmatic leader, and go from there.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

My short lived respect for the electorate is over: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

It was an online poll of 1012 people. It means nothing.

Edit: Even though it would prove what I've been saying all along, in that the majority of Canadians (if asked) would approve the removal of taxpayer-funded vote subsidies, I don't give any form of online vote any credence.

[Kerplunk]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

This clip is even better!

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/cons...os/#clip117964

Good lord, was he trying to speak English?