2008 College Football Thread

[transplant99]

did you just start watching college football this year?

Pretentious much?? And yes...Ive been watching college football for a bout 30 years quite closely since it seems to matter to you.

Every bowl since the history of bowls uses criteria like if a school travels well as part of their criteria. Except for the current 1 vs 2 that is and has always been part of the process.

Doesn't make it right now does it?

And enough about the kids, they aren't forced into the school they play for, they choose. So when choosing between Texas and Toledo they know full well the implications of choosing both.

What the hell does Toledo have to do with anything? Im talking OU and Texas...what part of this are you failing to understand? And your right....who cares about the kids...they are only the ones that actually do the work to get into said games.

Your commisioner/conference president supported system is a joke and completely broken. Sorry you dont see it or agree with it.

Cant wait until Congress gets into this and finally tosses the whole kit and kaboodle.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

the thing that urks me is that it the red river game would have been yesterday instead of earlier in the season, with the same result, texas goes to the big 12 title game no questions asked. freakin dumb system.

I am a sooner fan and i agree with your statement. I am happy the Sooners got in but one thing that pisses me off is all these Texas fans. I agree its unfair but the BCS has always been losing earlier is better than losing later. Oklahoma lost earlier and has utterly killed teams since then. One thing i have not heard is TEXAS is owning up to the fact that the controlled their own destiny and they blew it. They were dominated in the game against tech,even though the score didnt show it and they made it close but in the end tech won.... Truthfully I would like to see Ou play Texas again , i think the outcome would be very different.... Sad thing is If OU play in the Natl title game they will prob play Florida in Florida, like they played Lsu in New Orleans and obviously Texas in Dallas..... I hope they dont use this as an excuse if they Lose... I think them and Florida match up very well so im pretty excited if OU gets there against the Gators

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pretentious much?? And yes...Ive been watching college football for a bout 30 years quite closely since it seems to matter to you.



Doesn't make it right now does it?

Then what could you be so surprised about, the bowls aren't about playoffs, or determining a NC with the exception of one game. They are a business, each bowl is a little company, the schools can choose to go or not go. And overall if the bowls can jiggle around the invites so fans don't have to travel so far, what's so bad about that? It seems to me to be a net positive as games become more accessable for more fans ... isnt' that obvious after 15 minutes, never mind 30 years?

Originally Posted by transplant99

What the hell does Toledo have to do with anything? Im talking OU and Texas...what part of this are you failing to understand? And your right....who cares about the kids...they are only the ones that actually do the work to get into said games.

You broke out your patented 'but what about the children' arguement ... again. I'll I'm saying is that the players know exactly what they get into when they select a school. There are plus's and minus's with all schools the proximity to a bowl game is much different at texas and toledo so it's not as though there is a big mean system that screws the kids.

Originally Posted by transplant99

Your commisioner/conference president supported system is a joke and completely broken. Sorry you dont see it or agree with it.

Cant wait until Congress gets into this and finally tosses the whole kit and kaboodle.

You saw the new TV deal right? I need to run more 'jokes' like this one. Like any other sport it's a business, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that's all sports are. This completely broken league is growing much faster than any other major college sport and interest has never been higher. I don't love the BCS, but I understand it. It's ok, it for the most part keeps the bowl systems which is the best TV of the year. Playoffs kill what I love. I know you don't like to look at it, but the regular season will be less intense, in fact, in your playoff what would happen on rivalry weekend: Teams like florida wouldn't even have played their starters. They would have been saved for games that are important. Alabama, and Oklahoma would have done the same thing. Fun, that would have turned a few big games last night into JUCO ball. That and half the bowls would shut down and the other half would have a fraction of the life they do now.

And as if congress doesn't have bigger things to worry about.

Look you hate college football, I get it, go watch a million unimportant college basketball games. Since 3 months of mediocure play that culminates in a handful of important games in March is all you'd need, why would you even watch football?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Then what could you be so surprised about, the bowls aren't about playoffs, or determining a NC with the exception of one game.

When did he say he was surprised?

It's ok, it for the most part keeps the bowl systems which is the best TV of the year. Playoffs kill what I love. I know you don't like to look at it, but the regular season will be less intense, in fact, in your playoff what would happen on rivalry weekend: Teams like florida wouldn't even have played their starters. They would have been saved for games that are important. Alabama, and Oklahoma would have done the same thing. Fun, that would have turned a few big games last night into JUCO ball. That and half the bowls would shut down and the other half would have a fraction of the life they do now.

This is such BS. The games are still as important as ever, in fact more important now as more teams will have things to play for. Look at USC this year, they lost to Oregon State and now every game afterwards means nothing. Ohio State lost to USC and who there games are nothing.

In a Play-off system Ohio State would be playing to get in, USC would be playing to be a top seed and avoid a tough match-up.

Florida winning or losing a game could mean the difference between playing USC or Utah, seems like that would make a difference.

Play-offs make games mean more and actually allows the best team a shot to win the NC, rather than whichever team is lucky enough to get the bounces, play in the right conference or suck up to the voters enough.

Look you hate college football, I get it, go watch a million unimportant college basketball games. Since 3 months of mediocure play that culminates in a handful of important games in March is all you'd need, why would you even watch football?

Ya that March Madness sure is a flop of an event. No TV ratings, nobody watches, no pools/gambling.

Nobdy makes money on that waste of time and they stupidly allow their championship to be decided on the court.

What that stupid NFL having play-offs as well. What do those idiots know about running a sports league. No wonder nobody watches that crap.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by moon

When did he say he was surprised?






This is such BS. The games are still as important as ever, in fact more important now as more teams will have things to play for. Look at USC this year, they lost to Oregon State and now every game afterwards means nothing. Ohio State lost to USC and who there games are nothing.

In a Play-off system Ohio State would be playing to get in, USC would be playing to be a top seed and avoid a tough match-up.

Florida winning or losing a game could mean the difference between playing USC or Utah, seems like that would make a difference.

Play-offs make games mean more and actually allows the best team a shot to win the NC, rather than whichever team is lucky enough to get the bounces, play in the right conference or suck up to the voters enough.



Ya that March Madness sure is a flop of an event. No TV ratings, nobody watches, no pools/gambling.

Nobdy makes money on that waste of time and they stupidly allow their championship to be decided on the court.

What that stupid NFL having play-offs as well. What do those idiots know about running a sports league. No wonder nobody watches that crap.

After what I read from you during election night I will not dignify what is already a misguided post in a million ways with any reply. Feel free to never reply to my posts, or at least expect any reply back.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

After what I read from you during election night I will not dignify what is already a misguided post in a million ways with any reply. Feel free to never reply to my posts, or at least expect any reply back.

LOL. Oh no whatever will I do.

No replies from the genius that is Flames in 07, Ffffffffkkkkkkkkk!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Look you hate college football, I get it, go watch a million unimportant college basketball games. Since 3 months of mediocure play that culminates in a handful of important games in March is all you'd need, why would you even watch football?

You clearly have no clue about college basketball.

Every game is important. Every single one.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

You clearly have no clue about college basketball.

Every game is important. Every single one.

Really? So if you have a 2 game losing streak you are out of NC contention?

You have no clue what the magnitude of a NCAA Football game is if you think you can equate the two.

I mean, what is so hard about the concept. Lose a couple games in NCAA football and it's over for you, lose a couple in basketball, and it really doesn't matter.

People are so caught up in such stupid concepts. I get texas fans being burnt, but their own league set up the rules for who will play in the championship. They decided that voters, SOS and other factors matter. Yes Oklahoma lost to them, and if there were two teams at the top then Texas obviously would win, but there are three so you have to be subjective. Knowing convincingly that Texas is better is like knowing convincingly that Paper is the best in rock paper scissors.

And in a 8 team playoff then say 7 and 8 can make it to the final, which is say OSU and I dunno, Mizzou. How is that any better or those teams any more deserving? They weren't the best all year, why now.

So Dis, are all NHL games critical like NCAA football? All MLB games? at what point do you draw the line? And btw if NCAA basketball in the regular season is so compelling how are the ratings vs NCAA football? When you find they aren't even remotely close ask yourself why. You are going to have to work hard to dream up something that doesn't have to do with the difference in the magnitude of the game.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Really? So if you have a 2 game losing streak you are out of NC contention?

You have no clue what the magnitude of a NCAA Football game is if you think you can equate the two.

1. Where did I try to equate the two?
2. A 2 game losing streak can ruin your positioning in the tournament and make your road a hell of a lot tougher.

You are the one who made an invalid argument.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

So Dis, are all NHL games critical like NCAA football? All MLB games? at what point do you draw the line? And btw if NCAA basketball in the regular season is so compelling how are the ratings vs NCAA football? When you find they aren't even remotely close ask yourself why. You are going to have to work hard to dream up something that doesn't have to do with the difference in the magnitude of the game.

3X as many bball teams
3 x as many bball games.

simple math.

The magnitude of college football games would still be huge with a playoff system.

What exactly are you arguing about at this point? You've completely lost me. You've gone from arguing against a playoff system to attacking my view of college basketball as if I was using it to argue your original point?

I think I need a flowchart.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

3X as many bball teams
3 x as many bball games.

simple math.

The magnitude of college football games would still be huge with a playoff system.

What exactly are you arguing about at this point? You've completely lost me. You've gone from arguing against a playoff system to attacking my view of college basketball as if I was using it to argue your original point?

I think I need a flowchart.

I don't know your definition of huge, and everyone's concept of a big game will be different but what is obvious is that they would be less important. Florida/FSU would have meant nothing yesterday, Bama game, nothing, Oklahoma game same thing nothing. Might as well rest guys.

I have always said that ncaa football is unique in that the regular season acts as a playoff. it's regular season games are uniquely important. Compared to other sports and leagues ... including NCAA basketball the importance of the games pale in comparison. You just said a 2 game losing streak isn't a death sentance, but rather can create a inconvinience in terms of how you seed for a tourneyment at the end. Still have to win 6 games no matter what, just 6 slightly different games.

So to keep it real simple, NCAA football's structure is unique and to me better, because of the importance of the regular season ... and I think all the bowls are fun to watch. A playoff would dilute all of that.

Make sense?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I don't know your definition of huge, and everyone's concept of a big game will be different but what is obvious is that they would be less important. Florida/FSU would have meant nothing yesterday, Bama game, nothing, Oklahoma game same thing nothing. Might as well rest guys.

I have always said that ncaa football is unique in that the regular season acts as a playoff. it's regular season games are uniquely important. Compared to other sports and leagues ... including NCAA basketball the importance of the games pale in comparison. You just said a 2 game losing streak isn't a death sentance, but rather can create a inconvinience in terms of how you seed for a tourneyment at the end. Still have to win 6 games no matter what, just 6 slightly different games.

So to keep it real simple, NCAA football's structure is unique and to me better, because of the importance of the regular season ... and I think all the bowls are fun to watch. A playoff would dilute all of that.

Make sense?

Did it ever not?

You said NCAA basketball games are meaningless until March. I disagreed.. Wow.

For the record, I understand your argument but I think bowls are completely boring and all but one are meaningless.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Did it ever not?

You said NCAA basketball games are meaningless until March. I disagreed.. Wow.

For the record, I understand your argument but I think bowls are completely boring and all but one are meaningless.

ok fair enough, a bit of an exaggeration. BB games before march take on much less meaning than NCAA FB games.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

ok fair enough, a bit of an exaggeration. BB games before march take on much less meaning than NCAA FB games.

Because there are more basketball games. Volume.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Because there are more basketball games. Volume.

well, that and a big tourneyment where all of 65 teams are on reasonably equal footing after all those games.

[Gugstanley]

Originally Posted by moon

Florida winning or losing a game could mean the difference between playing USC or Utah, seems like that would make a difference.

Thank you. we all know Florida would rather play USC then Utah. I was starting to think you were all haters. This board can be so hurtful at times.

Playoffs don't take away from college football's regular season. Makes the games even more important. I don't like the current bowl system. Who really cares if the Humanitarian bowl is played? Playoffs, now they prove who deserves to be on top. Conferences can claim to be the best but with a playoff someone will earn the bragging rights.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

well, that and a big tourneyment where all of 65 teams are on reasonably equal footing after all those games.

Define reasonably equal footing.

[transplant99]

Dis, Moon, Gug...everyone else....dont bother.

This guy coached/coaches high school or bantam kids in Alberta. He is an expert.

By that measure we have no way of being able to match his infinite wisdom, even when he has been proven wrong in the past.

You get the typical nonsensical answer of

Look you hate college football, I get it, go watch a million unimportant college basketball games.

you see...I watch college football for longer than this chump has likely been alive, but apparently I hate it.

thats the logic you are trying to deal with...meaning, none.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Dis, Moon, Gug...everyone else....dont bother.

This guy coached/coaches high school or bantam kids in Alberta. He is an expert.

By that measure we have no way of being able to match his infinite wisdom, even when he has been proven wrong in the past.

You get the typical nonsensical answer of



you see...I watch college football for longer than this chump has likely been alive, but apparently I hate it.

thats the logic you are trying to deal with...meaning, none.

All you do is bash college ball, that's where that answer comes from, I really don't know why you'd watch something you you have such a disdain for.

I've never said coaching ball equates to knowing anything about the BCS, and if I'm condencending to you, it has nothing to do with me, it has to do with how poor your posts are. You just don't say smart things. I thought it was no big deal since lots of kids are on this, then I saw your age and couldn't believe it.

The proof is all around you, college ball has never been more popular, networks are throwing unbelievalbe amounts of money to lock in the current structure ... smart people get it. You don't. Simple as that.

In your structure, it is inevtiable we'd get a Ohio State type team, playing a Mizzou type team, and then everyone would wonder what is so great about a playoff because everyone knows they aren't the best in the nation. The netowrks and conferences don't need to go through the entire process to see that would happen. You do, I get it, but the people who manage the asset have to think ahead. They know nobody will watch OSU play mizzou, and from then on, the intensity of importance of a regular season game will be questioned.

You never have good arguements just ranting when your trojans are bypassed in the polls, people move on then you whine about how travel is factored into polls, since bowls were invented. With Dis he talks, then listens, there's some consideration of points and move on. With you, you whine, blab, don't listen, cherry pick points and put them out of context, then whine some more. It's just old.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Define reasonably equal footing.

Well everyone has to win 6 games right? Sure a 14 has to beat a 3, but then they get a 6 in the second round, and regardless, games 3-6 look about the same in terms of teams you'd have to play.