2008 College Football Thread

[corporatejay]

Hrm, I'm a decent Texas fan but even I don't know about this one. What is even more ludacris is how the hell is Florida #2.

Florida loses AT HOME to an unranked Ole Miss team and they are somehow #2.

Texas loses on the road to the #2 team in the country in overtime.

OK loses on a neutral site to the #1/2 team in the country at the time.


I don't get it, i guess they figure who gives a shat because that'll be decided on the field.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Wow, if both polls put UT in front of Oklahoma then they have a chance, I would have thought both polls would allow Oklahoma to jump over Texas.

SC's only chance is if the Big XII north wins the championship.

i think that the harris poll holds more weight in the BCS formula, and OU was already ahead of the horns in the Harris last week.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Wow, if both polls put UT in front of Oklahoma then they have a chance, I would have thought both polls would allow Oklahoma to jump over Texas.

SC's only chance is if the Big XII north wins the championship.

Whoever doesn't get in the Big XII championship still has a shot I think. If OU or UT slips up against Mizzu I still think the team who didn't make it plays for the NC.

It's basically Florida/Alabama vs. Texas/OU for the national championship at this point.

I really feel for Boise St. at this point. You know that Ohio State will get an at-large bid over them simply for travel and TV ratings reasons. In spite of the fact that BSU has an easy schedule, I don't see how you take a 2-loss team over an undefeated team. It's funny though - BSU's best win (Oregon) is better than Ohio St's (Michigan St) and they'll still be on the outside looking in.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Mizzou offensive coordinator Dave Christianson will be the new head coach at Wyoming.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Mizzou offensive coordinator Dave Christianson will be the new head coach at Wyoming.

Now that is a good hire for Wyoming. good offensive guy.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by JayP

Whoever doesn't get in the Big XII championship still has a shot I think. If OU or UT slips up against Mizzu I still think the team who didn't make it plays for the NC.

It's basically Florida/Alabama vs. Texas/OU for the national championship at this point.

I really feel for Boise St. at this point. You know that Ohio State will get an at-large bid over them simply for travel and TV ratings reasons. In spite of the fact that BSU has an easy schedule, I don't see how you take a 2-loss team over an undefeated team. It's funny though - BSU's best win (Oregon) is better than Ohio St's (Michigan St) and they'll still be on the outside looking in.

well if the BigXII north wins the conference I still think SC gets in, it shows the south wasn't that strong.

Anyway as for BSU, I've heard rumors that the fiesta may take Utah vs BSU. Both travel well, although Utah fans are about the opposite of fun at a bowl game as they don't really go out, and for a large part don't drink. And the fiesta bowl is more about the ancillary parties than any other bowl.

My guess is Fiesta will take Utah and Texas but I still think BSU has a shot.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Hrm, I'm a decent Texas fan but even I don't know about this one. What is even more ludacris is how the hell is Florida #2.

Florida loses AT HOME to an unranked Ole Miss team and they are somehow #2.

Texas loses on the road to the #2 team in the country in overtime.

OK loses on a neutral site to the #1/2 team in the country at the time.


I don't get it, i guess they figure who gives a shat because that'll be decided on the field.

Well if Florida wins the SEC it would be hard to not say they are a top 2 team, so their current ranking of #2 isn't really that important. They are in if they win, and off to the Sugar if they lose.

[cSpooge]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

i think that the harris poll holds more weight in the BCS formula, and OU was already ahead of the horns in the Harris last week.

all 3 polls have the same weight in the BCS 1/3 each.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Hrm, I'm a decent Texas fan but even I don't know about this one. What is even more ludacris is how the hell is Florida #2.

Florida loses AT HOME to an unranked Ole Miss team and they are somehow #2.

Texas loses on the road to the #2 team in the country in overtime.

OK loses on a neutral site to the #1/2 team in the country at the time.


I don't get it, i guess they figure who gives a shat because that'll be decided on the field.

Florida has been the best team in the country since that loss.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Florida has been the best team in the country since that loss.

While that may be true (I'm not going to get into that debate) their loss is still worse than any loss by Texas or Oklahoma.

Like i said, it's probably moot because at the end of the day they control their own fate, which is why I'm starting to come around to a playoff.

This is basically what sealed it for me.

If Texas Tech had lost to Baylor, then Texas gets in.

Now think about this for a minute. If the one team Texas lost to, had lost to a jabroni Big12 team, then they are a "better" team than OU.


But then OU lost to texas, so OU can't be better than texas.

And round and round we go. Count me in a for a playoff, maybe an 8 teamer. I haven't thought about the logisitcs.


At the end of the day, I think OU is jus as deserving as texas and it was a virtual coin toss, Although I really like Texas, I'm not going to lose any sleep over this. I am, however, really excited about some of the possible bowl matchups.

I posted these on the last page but want to see what people think.

USC v. Penn State
OK v. Bama/Fla
Texas v. Bama/Fla

Cincinnati v. VaTech/BC

Utah v. Ohio State ???

I think Boise/UTAH would be a better matchup and game but Ohio travels better.

[rubecube]

BCS Standings:

1. Alabama 12-0
2. Oklahoma 11-1
3. Texas 11-1
4. Florida 11-1
5. USC 10-1
6. Utah 12-0
7. Texas Tech 11-1
8. Penn State 11-1
9. Boise State 12-0
10. Ohio State 10-211.

[Flames in 07]

So from what I'm gathering (slightly inside information but definately not a E5 or FI07'5')

Is that the fiesta bowl will definately take Texas and mulling over OSU or Utah as the other team.

There is an order to how the bowls select teams, however all BCS bowls (well maybe all outside of the Rose bowl) co-operate to minimize the travel of fans.

if A SEC team is #1 then the Sugar gets the first pick at a replacement, if a Big XII team is number one, the Fiesta gets first pick. Either way everyone believes that Texas will go to the Fiesta, as a top 4 they are guarenteed a game, and the fiesta is the best locale for them. Fiesta is a BigXII bowl, and Texas hasn't been there since the BCS started, they will travel well and will party well for all their events.

After the #1 and #2 replacements are made it goes back to the fiesta for the next pick. And they are mulling OSU and Utah. I'm sure they'd rather OSU because they travel well, the fans know the bowl well and love it, and although Utah would show up they are a boring fan base and don't suit the fiesta well.

However the Fiesta may lean over the plate and take one for the team and select Utah anyway becuase Utah may not travel as well to New Orleans ... their other possible suitor.

[transplant99]

The whole thing is a complete and utter joke.

Here we are... OK who lost to Texas at a neutral site will be on the inside track for the NC....even though they both played very similar schedules and have identical records. Perfect.

NOW...we have a debate on who would go to a bowl game based on which "scool travels better"? Really? Tha means this is no longer about sport and the competition among th kids cause who cares about them, but about who is more popular. Lovely.

Nothing wrong with that...nope.

[ricoFlame]

the thing that urks me is that it the red river game would have been yesterday instead of earlier in the season, with the same result, texas goes to the big 12 title game no questions asked. freakin dumb system.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

well if the BigXII north wins the conference I still think SC gets in, it shows the south wasn't that strong.

No it wouldn't UT demolished Mizzou earlier in the season. USC isn't going to leap UT without either playing games that mean anything. You can't argue USC's schedule vs. UT's.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The whole thing is a complete and utter joke.

Here we are... OK who lost to Texas at a neutral site will be on the inside track for the NC....even though they both played very similar schedules and have identical records. Perfect.

NOW...we have a debate on who would go to a bowl game based on which "scool travels better"? Really? Tha means this is no longer about sport and the competition among th kids cause who cares about them, but about who is more popular. Lovely.

Nothing wrong with that...nope.

did you just start watching college football this year? That's about as basic as TD's are worth 6pts, and FGs 3.

Every bowl since the history of bowls uses criteria like if a school travels well as part of their criteria. Except for the current 1 vs 2 that is and has always been part of the process.

Unless you want to subsidize and back all the bowls, then they have a reality of financing a bunch of expenses. Sorry it's just real life.

And the other bowls outside of 1 vs 2 aren't about ranking or determining a NC. And enough about the kids, they aren't forced into the school they play for, they choose. So when choosing between Texas and Toledo they know full well the implications of choosing both.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Sowa

No it wouldn't UT demolished Mizzou earlier in the season. USC isn't going to leap UT without either playing games that mean anything. You can't argue USC's schedule vs. UT's.

Relax, It doesn't mean I'm for it, just speculating that will happen. Polls use the recency effect alot and things that happen a week ago seem to be more important that what happened a couple months ago. I don't know, if the North wins, I'm ok with USC bumping UT, or not. a southern loss does show that they aren't as strong as everyone currently thinks.

[Gugstanley]

[quote=Flames in 07;1538608]
I'm sure they'd rather OSU because they travel well, the fans know the bowl well and love it, and although Utah would show up they are a boring fan base and don't suit the fiesta well.

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Geez what did Utah fans ever do to you? Ever been to a Utah game? They actually traveled really well to the Fiesta bowl in 2004. Not everyone living in Utah is a Mormon that is like saying everyone living in Alberta is an Oiler fan.

[Flames in 07]

[QUOTE=Gugstanley;1539121]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I'm sure they'd rather OSU because they travel well, the fans know the bowl well and love it, and although Utah would show up they are a boring fan base and don't suit the fiesta well.

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Geez what did Utah fans ever do to you? Ever been to a Utah game? They actually traveled really well to the Fiesta bowl in 2004. Not everyone living in Utah is a Mormon that is like saying everyone living in Alberta is an Oiler fan.

I was there, the quietest fiesta bowl in more than a decade. They did travel well, but the events around the bowl were very quiet that year, both because Utah fans didn't do much and because PITT didn't travel. I don't have anything against them, just part of the reality of what is considered when the bowl selects a team.

And saying ab is all flames and oilers fans isn't perfectly accurate, but it's very close. Same with Utes fans, it's not perfectly accurate to say they are quiet fans and don't do much around the bowl activities, but it's close enough.

[Flames in 07]

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