Wear a poppy.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Incredible.

You are right. You shouldn't wear a poppy.

I'll give you that the reasons for war were complex and even the reasons for enlistment. But to say that no veteran signed up cause they felt it was the right thing to do is one of the most selfish and ignorant things I've heard said on this board.

Many wanted to protect Canada, many wanted to protect the world and our allies. I doubt ANY did it for money. Soldiers don't make that much.

Shoot I know people who signed up for the Afghan war because they saw how the Taliban treated their women and their people. And that had nothing to do with Canada.

Just because you can't think of anyone but yourself doesn't mean others can't.

Disgraceful.

Well said. I wanted to stay out of this because PEI is clearly arguing something he believes and isn't arbitrarily stirring the pot. But after his last couple of posts, I'm pretty amazed and appalled at his perception of the last century. It's almost over the top.

[CaramonLS]

Is Magnum PEI a fascist? Does he live in a box?

Come on man, some of the things you are saying are completely deplorable and make absolutely no sense. Like Daradon suggested, go talk to a Vet and ask them about why they enlisted.

Are you actually implying that the concentration camps were set up because of the allies declaring war on Germany? Seriously? Or that in Hindsight the war was "probably" justified by stopping the Nazi war machine?

[burn_this_city]

I find it sadly ironic he's justifying the extermination of the jews on the anniversary of Kristallnacht. Hitler had death camps under construction before he invaded France. This wasnt in response to the allies declaring war.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I find it sadly ironic he's justifying the extermination of the jews on the anniversary of Kristallnacht. Hitler had death camps under construction before he invaded France. This wasnt in response to the allies declaring war.

Whatever, man. Stop thinking with your heart and use your mind.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by peter12

Whatever, man. Stop thinking with your heart and use your mind.

Fight the propaganda machine.. Seriously though, losers like that make me even prouder to support our troops.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I find it sadly ironic he's justifying the extermination of the jews on the anniversary of Kristallnacht. Hitler had death camps under construction before he invaded France. This wasnt in response to the allies declaring war.

They weren't death camps!! They were relocation camps!!!!

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Actually, the holocaust didn't start until after Britain and France declared war. Hitler originally planned to deport the Jews to China or Madagascar. War with Britain and France obviously prevented that. Don't forget, most of the Jews killed in the holocaust were from Poland.

WOW......Ok, where to start....

First off I think you should change your "name"....you should not be associating yourself with Thomas Magnum....BTW, he fought in Vietnam.

Back to reality....your numerous posts have brought up a number of questions....

1. Can you please provide an alternative response to German's actions leading up to the War.? Appeasement did not work, just ask Neville. What, with all you knowledge and understanding of the working of countries and the foreign polices, would you have done?
2. Did you not get enough hugs as a kid?
3. You say you are scottish. Were you born there? If not, and you were born in Canada, you have hit a huge pet peeve of mine. You are Canadian of scottish decent.....not and I repeat not scottish.
4. Your initial example of Ireland is interesting. Are suggesting that Ireland and the Irish should be the model of politics and conflict resolution? I mean don't get me wrong, I like, no love, Guiness, but come on....Ireland.....you could have done better than that.
5. Have you spoken to your father about all this………BTW, what does you father action have to do with your miss-guided views.
6. I am not as well versed on History as others here, but I do know the Nürnberger Gesetze was enacted in 1935.

Well, I actually have much move I would like to ask you. But let me leave you with this as Nov 11, 2008 looms large. I will always remember an old lady in the Krajina, that thanked me for coming over to her “country” in 1993. Yes I volunteered. She remembered the war, not what caused it, but remembered it and all the brutality it brought and she wanted nothing more to do with it.

I think you beef should be with the politicians…..not the soldiers.

In short Magnum, you opinions are at best warped and foolish and at worst disrespectful, vile, and dangerous.

Someday I hope you are in a position that needs the help of a soldier………

[redforever]

I think this thread should be left for the respect of the veterans that we honor and remember by wearing a poppy.

If some wish to discuss the Holocaust, Canada's participation in various wars or peacekeeping, start another thread.

[peter12]

I think that enjoying the freedom of speech and discussion is the highest honour that we can give to our combat veterans.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by redforever

I think this thread should be left for the respect of the veterans that we honor and remember by wearing a poppy.

If some wish to discuss the Holocaust, Canada's participation in various wars or peacekeeping, start another thread.

I agree on one hand, but at the same time the actions of our soldiers, as well as those of all the other allies, that prevented the Holocaust from becoming that much worse. In my opinion recognizing the Holocaust is essential to recognizing the role that our soldiers have played in helping humanity as a whole.

[GreenLantern]

Also, a large number of the Jews found in Poland were originally from Germany and were fleeing the country. Not everyone could afford to get across the Atlantic.

[flip]

Originally Posted by peter12

I think that enjoying the freedom of speech and discussion is the highest honour that we can give to our combat veterans.

Isn't that what MagPEI is doing?

I know we don't agree with what he is saying but the Vets did fight so that people could have opinions, albeit rather strange ones. Although he should have more respect for Vets, even if his arguments have any weight which I don't think they do.

I still can't figure out what his angle is. Is he an angry Jew who blames the Holocost on the Allies? Is he a Nazi sympathizer? Does he just hate democratic countries? Just the Allies? I can't figure it out.

[MaDMaN_26]

Originally Posted by flip

I still can't figure out what his angle is. Is he an angry Jew who blames the Holocost on the Allies? Is he a Nazi sympathizer? Does he just hate democratic countries? Just the Allies? I can't figure it out.

Personally I dont care... he is either a troll or an idiot... does he have a right to an opinion? Sure, I guess, but I'm not going to waste any time trying to figure him out or let his crap rent space in my head.

[Cowboy89]

Bought another poppy today and will wear it proudly through today and into tomorrow.

As much as MagPEI is deplored in this thread his contribution is still important. He illlustrates a viewpoint that is of someone who is a couple of generations removed from everyday's existance being threatened by external forces. When we get so far removed from the conflict we can take the smaller things and blow them out of proportion compared to the bigger things. Ie War Rape, as much as war rape is a horrfic and terrible thing that was perpetrated by all sides of World War II, the damage left behind as a result if it pales in comparison to the further damages to the world Nazi Germany would have envoked.

If you want to argue morals I would suggest that war rape was something that was certainly not endorsed by British, American, or Canadian commanders, but yet was enshrined, glorified, and even monetarily subsidized by Himmler's Lebensborn program(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn).

[driveway]

I like poppies. I like poppies because they are subtle and look really nice on people's lapels. I like them because, though they contain obvious British-Canadian 20th Century symbolism, they were also chosen for their universal appeal. Poppies, through their association with one of the worst examples of humankinds relentless capacity for inhumanity, make an excellent choice for a symbol of sacrifice.

If you have issues with modern imperialism, you can allow the poppies to remind you of all the people who have been killed by other people over the course of human history. Poppies could represent for you the First Nations peoples who died here in North America, or they could represent members of your religion or ethnic group who were persecuted and slaughtered centuries ago - it's happened to everyone at some point - or they could represent for you young men and women who bought into propaganda and found themselves in a very brutal situation doing what they could to survive.

There are no flags on a poppy, no logos, it's just a flower that happens to be the colours of blood and death and grows in cemetaries in Flanders.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

That took hindsight?

The Cold War could have turned out very differently.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Incredible.
Many wanted to protect Canada, many wanted to protect the world and our allies. I doubt ANY did it for money. Soldiers don't make that much.

As opposed to what they made during the Great Depression? And Canada didn't need protection until it declared war on Germany.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Shoot I know people who signed up for the Afghan war because they saw how the Taliban treated their women and their people. And that had nothing to do with Canada.

If that is their reason for going to Afghanistan, then it is pretty ignorant. That is their culture. Here we allow women to dress provocatively and raise children fathered by multiple partners. What makes for a better society?

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I find it sadly ironic he's justifying the extermination of the jews on the anniversary of Kristallnacht. Hitler had death camps under construction before he invaded France. This wasnt in response to the allies declaring war.

I never justified the holocaust. I merely suggested that had we not declared war on Germany for invading Poland it may not have happened.

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

Can you please provide an alternative response to German's actions leading up to the War.? Appeasement did not work, just ask Neville. What, with all you knowledge and understanding of the working of countries and the foreign polices, would you have done?

Canada should not have entered the war. It was 3000 miles away and concerned European nations and their empires. What do I care if France gets invaded? Or England for that matter.

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

You say you are scottish. Were you born there? If not, and you were born in Canada, you have hit a huge pet peeve of mine. You are Canadian of scottish decent.....not and I repeat not scottish.

I guess I should have said I was mostly of Scottish decent. Sorry to hit a nerve there. I don't really consider myself Canadian, either. I think of myself as a White North American.

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

Your initial example of Ireland is interesting. Are suggesting that Ireland and the Irish should be the model of politics and conflict resolution? I mean don't get me wrong, I like, no love, Guiness, but come on....Ireland.....you could have done better than that.

I'm just pointing out that the English must have done something to royally piss the Irish off.

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

I think you beef should be with the politicians…..not the soldiers.

My beef is with both. How anybody could fight for the English is beyond me.

[GirlySports]

I bought a couple..

Keeps falling off

[flip]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

I guess I should have said I was mostly of Scottish decent. Sorry to hit a nerve there. I don't really consider myself Canadian, either. I think of myself as a White North American.

Aryan nation anyone?

[Berger_4_]

Today isn't the day buddy. Let it go for today at least. Do you not have an ounce of decency?

Edit---I meant that for the knob known as MagnumPEI

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Berger_4_

Today isn't the day buddy. Let it go for today at least. Do you not have an ounce of decency?

Edit---I meant that for the knob known as MagnumPEI

He doesn't have any. It's quite obvious with his post today.