Two school systems. Does it cost more?

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

OK first this is not a war, it is a useless fight that was started my the US. But that is a whole other thing.

Can you name any other countries that will bend over backwards to make everyone happy? Another country that will change the way they do things because someone said this is not what I want? The only one that can think of is Canada and to a much lesser extent the US.

Hmm.....canadian's dying....seems like a war to me...BTW, It's a Nato mission.....we are in Nato.......we should be there, but we can always discuss this further elsewhere.

So you are saying no other country has ever changed it's laws?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Easy... God also created genes.

Don't forget, the father of modern genetics, Gregor Mendel, was a Roman Catholic monk... and I'm sure he was told the same crap when he was 6.

Six year olds get told a lot of crap... Some parents tell them the stork brought them, or that mommy and daddy "wished really hard" for a child... whatever.

tooth fairy..easter bunny...santa clause...

i got over it all too...

[Torture]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

Hmm.....canadian's dying....seems like a war to me...BTW, It's a Nato mission.....we are in Nato.......we should be there, but we can always discuss this further elsewhere.

So you are saying no other country has ever changed it's laws?

That's not what he's saying and you know it, stop taking everything somebody says to the extreme.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Torture

I don't think it's a big deal to say that God made your eyes brown when you're 6.

The most effective indoctrination usually involves the conditioning of the children who are most trusting so it would be a good start.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

tooth fairy..easter bunny...santa clause...

i got over it all too...

Wait........WHAT????

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Torture

That's not what he's saying and you know it, stop taking everything somebody says to the extreme.

He said

OK first this is not a war, it is a useless fight that was started my the US. But that is a whole other thing

[Sparks]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

The important bit, and the one I think the typical angry athiest is misinformed about is that neither do they say that that is in any way incompatible with a scientific view of the world, or that things like evolution is wrong.

I understand what you're saying - evolution could have been God's plan, and so on. But some angry athiests might argue that religion is incompatible with science/rationality because it teaches that belief (in anything) without any evidence is not only acceptable, but more noble. That's obviously a tough thing to make jive with the scientific method, and teaching both at the same time might be a bit confusing.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by fotze

It can also work against you. When my mom went to school and the nuns would beat the children, that experience pretty much assured that no one in our family line will ever be a practicing or anything Christian.

I call BS.....no Christian would ever beat a child.............

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

Hmm.....canadian's dying....seems like a war to me...BTW, It's a Nato mission.....we are in Nato.......we should be there, but we can always discuss this further elsewhere.

So you are saying no other country has ever changed it's laws?

No I'm not saying no country has ever changed its laws I am just saying that most do not do it because someone said "This goes against my beliefs"

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

I am asking why you are not currently in kandahar.........aren't we at war?

I think countries are or should be in a constant state of evolution (no pun intended).

So I am not a good Canadian because i am not in Afghanistan? Are you that naive?

I support our troops there and our mission there 100%. I am not dropping everything I am doing in my own life to go fight in Afghanistan because Afghans are not threatening our way of life. If there was a war like WW1 or WW2, that threatens to jeopardize our way of life as Canadians, then i would volunteer to go over there.

What are you getting at? I don't get what you are trying to do here?

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Try Denmark and Holland. They have been notorious in their tolerance of differences. Freaky Deeky Dutch...

Fixed

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by guzzy

So I am not a good Canadian because i am not in Afghanistan? Are you that naive?

I support our troops there and our mission there 100%. I am not dropping everything I am doing in my own life to go fight in Afghanistan because Afghans are not threatening our way of life. If there was a war like WW1 or WW2, that threatens to jeopardize our way of life as Canadians, then i would volunteer to go over there.

What are you getting at? I don't get what you are trying to do here?

I am actually not trying to do anything.....you said if we were at war you would go.

In the broad global context it can be argued that what is happening in Afghanistan is very much threatening Canada. Allowing an evil like the Taliban to be in power would be the same as turning our back on Europe in the WW 2....not acceptable....or ignoring ignoring much or what happened in the former Yugoslavia. At what point does it affect Canada?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

I call BS.....no Christian would ever beat a child.............

Usually my sarcasm detector works pretty well, but I have absolutely no idea if you're being genuine or not here. Please clarify if you intended this quotation to be serious or sarcastic.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Usually my sarcasm detector works pretty well, but I have absolutely no idea if you're being genuine or not here. Please clarify if you intended this quotation to be serious or sarcastic.

sarcastic..........my appologies

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

sarcastic..........my appologies

Since you're new here, I'll let you in on a little CalgaryPuck meme. When you intend for something to be taken as sarcasm, write it in green text.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

But if you read the curriculum, there in no mention of other religions, on the contray it appears to focus one....

PS: I am not an angry athiest....

Accreditation for the high school Religious Studies Program is granted by Alberta Education. (Policy 1.2.1 Locally Developed/Acquired and Authorized Junior and Senior High School Complementary Courses and 1.2.2 Locally Developed Religious Studies Courses). The policy 1.2.2 states clearly that "The Alberta Catholic School Trustees' Association Consortium Program was approved on the condition that the emphasis in 20% of the content of each course (Religious Studies 15-25-35) be placed on comparative religious studies." This is to provide an "opportunity for students to develop a respect and understanding for other major world faiths."

quoted from Senior High Religious Studies curriculum p. 15

Furthermore, the RS 15 program specifies: Judaism, Religions with Christian and American Roots, Islam and Christianity
the RS 25 program specifies Hinduism and Buddhism
the RS 35 program specifies Confucianism, Taoism, and Sikhism

You were not quoting the curriculum.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Furthermore, the RS 15 program specifies: Judaism, Religions with Christian and American Roots, Islam and Christianity
the RS 25 program specifies Hinduism and Buddhism
the RS 35 program specifies Confucianism, Taoism, and Sikhism

You were not quoting the curriculum.

You are right, i scanned, I missed that.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

sarcastic..........my appologies

lol, I legitimately thought you were serious. I couldn't even think of a response for a minute there.

After talking to a friend who taught a class on sex-ed in a catholic school it pretty much sealed the deal for me never letting my kids near one of those things. Sure you could educate them yourself, but I wouldn't even feel comfortable having them listen to some of that stuff. Kids would ask her about proper ways to apply a condom and she wasn't even allowed to tell them. That scares the hell out of me.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by kootenayguy9

Diploma Exams are only administered to students taking particular courses. You only need to take SS 33 and English 30-2 to actually graduate but many students take more diploma level courses than that.

People also need to realize that as a parent you have a choice on whether your grade 3, grade 6 and grade 9 student even writes the achivement tests.

In the last rankings of Alberta High School three of the top twenty schools were from the CBE and none were from the Catholic Board.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...te-865890.html

You can go back and forth all you want about ways that tests can be schewed, but in the end you're just chasing your tail as all you are doing is pointing out what teachers from both boards could be doing. Untill you can show me any sort of evidence that this is happening in the CSSB and not in the CBE it is completely irrelvant.

I'll tell you what though, I'll go ahead and concede that there is a higher incidence of teachers intentionally weeding kids out of higher level courses, and parents choosing not to have their children write the achievement tests, and that is the reason the CSSB scores is higher.
In exchange though I'd like you to concede that it is possible that teachers may be outright helping their students cheat on these tests and that is why the CBE results are not 10% lower.

See where I'm coming from, just because you can conceive of a reason why a school's test marks might be higher does not mean there is any reason to conclude it is true. Hence COMPLETELY INVALID. Or as it's known in the parlance of philosphy, an argument of ignorance.


As for which schools were in the top 20, big deal, three schools do not make or break a school board. The facts remain that on average the CSSB has out performend the CBE on the Alberta government's standardized testing.

If I was a real jerk, I might point out that perhaps the reason the CBE does worse is because there is at least one person working there who doesn't understand how averages work, but again doing so would certainly constitute an arguement of ignorance, so I won't.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

But if you read the curriculum, there in no mention of other religions, on the contray it appears to focus one....

PS: I am not an angry athiest....

Ah, but what you posted was not the curriculum, just the guiding principles.

There is no reason a class can't be based on thinking one thing is true while also discussing other points of view.