07-22-2008, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Or the other side of the coin is Brees was a first round bust who saw his replacement drafted and didn't do anything until Gates arrived on the scene. Gates has never had an "off" year no matter who has thrown him the ball.
I think both players are great, and to think that one "made" the other is hogwash.
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Hmmmm, tough to be a first round bust when you are drafted in the second round, well done sir.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5479
Last edited by Saint Troy; 07-22-2008 at 04:00 PM.
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07-22-2008, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Saint Troy
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I think you know what he means. If Brees was the second coming of Montana, the Chargers would not have drafted a replacement for him. It wasn't untill after Rivers was drafted that Brees emerged as the QB we know today.
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07-22-2008, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn
I think you know what he means. If Brees was the second coming of Montana, the Chargers would not have drafted a replacement for him. It wasn't untill after Rivers was drafted that Brees emerged as the QB we know today.
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...and Rivers wouldn't be the qb in San Diego today if Brees didn't injure his shoulder at the end of 2005. My opinion is that Brees was the key in Gates becoming the player he is today, yours is otherwise, no biggie. I'm more than happy to have that "first round bust" on the Saints.
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07-22-2008, 06:51 PM
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Apparently DeSean Jackson is lighting up Eagles camp. He's catching everything coming his way.
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07-22-2008, 07:09 PM
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NFC East is going to be quite the division, hopefully they pound each other into oblivion. Think it's McNabb's last season in Philly rube?
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07-23-2008, 08:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Troy
...and Rivers wouldn't be the qb in San Diego today if Brees didn't injure his shoulder at the end of 2005. My opinion is that Brees was the key in Gates becoming the player he is today, yours is otherwise, no biggie. I'm more than happy to have that "first round bust" on the Saints.
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You know what I meant - the Chargers had given up on Brees and drafted his replacement.
BTW, I'm not down on Brees, I have always felt the Chargers should have kept him and traded Rivers. I think the Chargers were leaning towards giving Rivers the job anyways, and Brees' should just made the justification easy.
But I also think Gates would have been as great a player regardless of who was QB. If anyone would get the credit, it should be LT since he draws so much attention.
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07-23-2008, 09:47 AM
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Former Chiefs safety Greg Wesley (released on Thursday) signs with the Oakland Raiders.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/716460.html
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07-23-2008, 10:05 AM
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NFL Security visited the Minnesota Vikings to inqure about tampering charges by the Packers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3501459
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The NFL's security department interviewed Minnesota Vikings officials on Tuesday regarding tampering charges the Green Bay Packers filed against their division rival over Brett Favre, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported Wednesday.
The newspaper cited people with knowledge of the situation in reporting that the league's security arm had visited the Vikings' facility in Winter Park, Minn.
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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Tuesday that according to a source, Favre continued to use a Packers-issued cell phone after his retirement announcement -- and that a team check of phone records showed repeated calls to Vikings coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell.
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07-23-2008, 10:08 AM
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Well the Saints(and the Browns, Bears, Cards & Lions) check in today, and touch the field tomorrow. Now comes a month of rushing to the computer straight after work so I can nervously check the Saints boards and make sure nobody broke their leg.
I love and hate this time of year...
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07-23-2008, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Sainters7
Well the Saints(and the Browns, Bears, Cards & Lions) check in today, and touch the field tomorrow. Now comes a month of rushing to the computer straight after work so I can nervously check the Saints boards and make sure nobody broke their leg.
I love and hate this time of year...
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Especially for the Browns. Was it two years ago that they had players dropping like flies on the first day or two of camp?
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07-23-2008, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn
Especially for the Browns. Was it two years ago that they had players dropping like flies on the first day or two of camp?
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I believe LeCharles Bentley completely destroyed his knee on the first day and was released this past off-season. He was a tremendous talent when he played for the Saints, I'm just hoping the Saints get Ellis signed and in camp.
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07-23-2008, 12:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Troy
NFC East is going to be quite the division, hopefully they pound each other into oblivion. Think it's McNabb's last season in Philly rube?
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Hard to say. Apparently he's showing a lot better mobility in camp than he was at this time last year. No signs of a limp or pain whatsoever. He's also throwing bullets so his arm strength hasn't taken a hit. If he stays healthy and the Eagles make the playoffs or win the division then there's no way he's going anywhere.
I think the Eagles are going to surprise some people this year. They have one of the weakest schedules in the league and one of the strongest defenses. The only question on offense is again the WRs. Reggie Brown needs to take a big step forward this year and L.J. Smith has to stay healthy.
DeSean Jackson has looked really good but the big question on him is whether he's strong enough to create seperation at the line. I think he'll do fine in the slot this year.
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07-23-2008, 01:56 PM
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Speaking of easy schedules. Does anybody have a link for the 2008 NFL Strength of Schedule by team. I read on the ESPN power rankings that the Patriots had the easiest schedule this season. Just wanted to compare it to the other teams in the league.
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07-23-2008, 02:02 PM
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2008 Strength of Schedule:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10236651
Pats have the easiest, Steelers the toughest. Which IMO, means absolutely nothing season to season.
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07-23-2008, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Moe
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Agreed. What may look like a weak game in August may actually be a battle against a surprise team come November. btw I see the Saints have the NFC's easiest sked according to the chart...
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07-23-2008, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Moe
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Wow, apparently I was wrong about the Eagles schedule. They have the same road as the Super Bowl champs.
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07-23-2008, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sainters7
Agreed. What may look like a weak game in August may actually be a battle against a surprise team come November. btw I see the Saints have the NFC's easiest sked according to the chart...
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And there are a always a few good teams from the previous season who underperform in the new one. Over the long haul perhaps the trends play out, but this methodology assumes that good teams stay good and bad teams stay bad, and we know season over season that isn't consistent. Just look at how raped pick'em players are the first few weeks.
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07-23-2008, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Moe
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It only means something if Patriot fans start beaking about how great the Pats are. Then its obvious that any team would flourish with a sub .400 opponent schedule. 
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07-23-2008, 04:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
And there are a always a few good teams from the previous season who underperform in the new one. Over the long haul perhaps the trends play out, but this methodology assumes that good teams stay good and bad teams stay bad, and we know season over season that isn't consistent. Just look at how raped pick'em players are the first few weeks.
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Agreed. And besides that, they shouldn't even consider division games in the SOS.
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07-23-2008, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Moe
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Colts with the 2nd hardest schedule. That's ok, bring it! It'll come down to Colts-Pats in the AFC most likely anyways. Although there are some other solid teams (Jags, Chargers) as well.
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