iPhone on Rogers - General iPhone on Rogers / Fido discussions

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by calculoso

I hope you never complain about when Gasoline prices increase, or food prices increase, or Flames tickets increase, or whatever... If you do, then you're just like the rest of us.

Personally I don't complain about gas prices because I look accross the pond in the UK where they are paying close to $2.20/litre, good thing they have cheap cell phones . The only time I complain about gas is when I hear special services like Meal on Wheels are shutting down because of it (personally I think the government should help them out as they are great for the community).

As for food I just feel lucky enough to be able to afford to eat what I want, when I want. There are people starving around the world, the fact I have to pay an extra $0.50 for a thing of rice does not bother me.

Price increases are just the way of life, me complaining about it won't change it because I have to drive to work & I have to eat.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Finner

No kidding eh? Girlfriend dumps you. Has her cellphone hooked up to her msn messenger like most my friends do. Just keep typing letters and slamming enter on your keyboard and fire off thousands of messages to her. All payback baby..

Could easily rack up a ton of charges.

This whole thing is entirely ridiculous. Charging 0.20 for incoming?

Verizo is the one charging 0.20 for the incoming text msg, Telus/Bell are only charging .15.

Also I would assume that these people that have MSN hooked up to their mobiles have an unlimited texting packge or sometype of text package so it will not effect them, not one bit!

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by llama64

Don't care what company I'm with, they are all garbage as far as I'm concerned. I want the best deal I can get that fits my needs.

I need about 200 minutes, 1000 text messages, voice mail and call display and don't want to spend more then $40 a month on it. And I sure as hell don't want to pay for incoming text messages.

What plan do you have right now and what do you pay with Bell? (if you dont know if you PM me your # I can have someone look into it)

I know some plans through Bell that are $23.75 (+$7.70) that would get someone:

- 250 Anytime mins
- Unlimited Nights & Weekends (6pm-8am)
- Voicemail
- Call Display
- Unlimited Text Msgs (Incoming included)

So the plans are out there, you just have to know where to look and what to ask the sales rep.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Price increases are just the way of life, me complaining about it won't change it because I have to drive to work & I have to eat.

Well I guess they can jack your prices up all they want then...

I want my prices to be as low as possible, and if they're more than they should be (and unreasonably so) then I'm not going to just accept them - and as you can see, I'm not alone.

Maybe these companies will get that through their thick skulls...

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Well I guess they can jack your prices up all they want then...

I want my prices to be as low as possible, and if they're more than they should be (and unreasonably so) then I'm not going to just accept them - and as you can see, I'm not alone.

Maybe these companies will get that through their thick skulls...

I am not saying it is right, I am just saying thats the way it works and always has. You want to save money and they want to make money, if you want to make a stand then cancel your cell phone today and ask your friends to do the same. However if you and everyone else keeps paying the prices then why would they stop?

Trust me I would love to fill up my tank for $32 when I bought my car instead of the $85 I pay now, but I am not going to stop driving to make a stand and I bet you won't be either, will you?

[photon]

Originally Posted by llama64

I need about 200 minutes, 1000 text messages, voice mail and call display and don't want to spend more then $40 a month on it. And I sure as hell don't want to pay for incoming text messages. Also, having a device that can replace my iPod would be sweet. If I can achieve this with an iPhone, that's the top choice (due to WiFi capability), but if there is a device out there that offers nearly as many features, I want to know about it.

Just seems that no matter what I do in Canada, I'm going to be pushed into paying upwards of $55-$70 per month for decent service and features. And that's without a data plan.

And yes, OSX means an Apple computer. Sounds like the iPhone and the Blackberry are the two that offer the easiest syncing options. Windows Mobile sounds painful.

One thing that they've said now with the iPhone is you don't have to use their iPhone plans, you can use any plan to get an iPhone. If you get a plan that's less than $30 / month then you have to pay $50 more for the phone.

[photon]

Wow, crazier and crazier!

Note: The tethering/unbricking process must be repeated every time a new SIM is inserted in the iPhone, even if the device has already been unbricked before.

http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-...re-unbricking/

Is this just for Rogers, or for all iPhones?? Maybe this is Apple's way of combating the unlockers, but this really sucks.

For the phone to lock every time you swap a SIM card means I don't own my phone, Apple does.

That can't be true. What about business users who take their phone into another country and buy a SIM card to use? What about countries that are selling the iPhone without a contract for more, they can't restrict those people like that. What about countries that it's illegal to have a locked device?

So either there's different firmwares for the iPhone this time, which I find highly doubtful, or this documentation is wrong and the phone doesn't brick itself with a new SIM card.

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by photon

One thing that they've said now with the iPhone is you don't have to use their iPhone plans, you can use any plan to get an iPhone. If you get a plan that's less than $30 / month then you have to pay $50 more for the phone.

Is this confirmed? I've been asking around at Rogers and so far everyone's telling me you still need to get a iPhone data plan to get the iPhone at all.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Is this confirmed? I've been asking around at Rogers and so far everyone's telling me you still need to get a iPhone data plan to get the iPhone at all.

It's confirmed. It's right on their rate plan's detail page: http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wi..._data_packages

Course, this is all subject to change at any time.

I do find it interesting that Roger's charges a full 2$ less each month for the system access fee then Bell. Not sure about Telus.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Is this confirmed? I've been asking around at Rogers and so far everyone's telling me you still need to get a iPhone data plan to get the iPhone at all.

They're only telling you that because the iPhone plans have the biggest commissions.

There are more than a few dealers who are planning to actively refuse service to anyone that doesn't get a full iPhone plan (or at the very least a data addon plan) during the first week of launch.

No data whatsoever = no commission whatsoever.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

They're only telling you that because the iPhone plans have the biggest commissions.

There are more than a few dealers who are planning to actively refuse service to anyone that doesn't get a full iPhone plan (or at the very least a data addon plan) during the first week of launch.

No data whatsoever = no commission whatsoever.

If that's the case, I suggest we compile a list of all dealers who refuse to sell the phone without a data plan.

Dealers who behave like this do not deserve any sales whatsoever.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by llama64

If that's the case, I suggest we compile a list of all dealers who refuse to sell the phone without a data plan.

Dealers who behave like this do not deserve any sales whatsoever.

According to one of the dealers on HoFo, anyone who does not attach a data plan to an iPhone sale is required to submit the reason, in writting, to their sales manager. It's even been stated that the managers themselves will back up the decision to not sell to a non-data subscriber (since it affects both the store numbers and their own commissions).

It's also been mentioned that, should you find yourself on the receiving end of this type of treatment, you should get the salesperson's name, as well as the name and location of the store, and submit this information to the district sales manager. The DSMs frown on this sort of thing but take a "what I don't know doesn't hurt me" approach - so it's up to the consumers to let them know.

This is a fairly common practice throughout the retail commissions industry, unfortunately. It's not always transparent, but it's there.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by llama64

If that's the case, I suggest we compile a list of all dealers who refuse to sell the phone without a data plan.

Dealers who behave like this do not deserve any sales whatsoever.

As far as I am concerned, until Rogers releases a plan with unlimited data, they do not deserve any sales.
I was going to get the iPhone. I was even trying to justify to myself the cheapest plan, but I just can't do it. I do not want a $500 bill showing up at my house after using my phone for a month.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by arsenal

As far as I am concerned, until Rogers releases a plan with unlimited data, they do not deserve any sales.
I was going to get the iPhone. I was even trying to justify to myself the cheapest plan, but I just can't do it. I do not want a $500 bill showing up at my house after using my phone for a month.

The more I think about it, the more likely it is that I'll end up buying an iPhone without a data plan. I'm rarely in a spot where I NEED to access the internet and am without any WiFi. I can wait for Roger's to release a better data plan. The requirement of buying a data plan was the real killer for me. Now that it has been lifted, Rogers is back on my options.

If I can get a decent voice/texting plan from Rogers, I'm in. Replaces both my phone and iPod for cheaper then the cost of buying both devices separately.

[photon]

You could also look at getting a first gen iPhone, though I guess that would likely be more expensive than a new one, but it does avoid having to get a contract.

[arsenal]

That's the main reason I wanted it. It is essentially a Phone with an iPod built in. I don't have an iPod. It would be awesome to have one.
Not to mention the apps and things you can get for it. It might actually getting me building my own flex and air apps.

[photon]

There's no flash on the iPhone yet though I don't think, so no Flex or AIR yet.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by photon

There's no flash on the iPhone yet though I don't think, so no Flex or AIR yet.

well that's dumb.
the iPhone is like the perfect device for AIR apps, hell any mobile phone is.

[photon]

I agree, I think I read that Adobe had flash ready to go on the iPhone, but I don't think it can just be installed like any other app since it's integrated into the browser, plus the normal ToS for iPhone apps prevent an app that runs arbitrary code. So they'd have to work with Apple to get it integrated properly. Which I'm sure will happen eventually, but yeah I wish it would be sooner.

EDIT: Though if I think about it, allowing Flex/AIR could detract from their own developer's program, so maybe not.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by photon

EDIT: Though if I think about it, allowing Flex/AIR could detract from their own developer's program, so maybe not.

That makes more sense to me than anything else. Apple is more protectionist than MS when it comes to those things. I don't see why the 2 couldn't co-exist.

Kind of OT, but, does Andriod play nice with AIR?