iPhone on Rogers - General iPhone on Rogers / Fido discussions

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by calculoso

There is still lots of confusion. Latest posts (although unofficial) are showing:
- with $30/300MB data plan, no free public wifi
- can't get visual voicemail without iPhone plan, although there was talk of a $8 a-la-carte visual voicemail option
- Can't use a family plan

Here we are, 4 days from the launch, and they're still making up the rules. What a company....

That's completely impossible.

[llama64]

Wow.... http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=638556

Apparently Roger's isn't the dumbest mobility company in Canada. Bell and Telus are going to start charging 15 cents(!!) per incoming text message. Even unsolicited ones such as spam. There has to be some sort of law preventing gouging like this.

Well, this certainly adds a new kink into the "Should I get an iPhone" debate.

[koop]

So I will have to pay Telus for the messages they send to me??

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by calculoso

There is still lots of confusion. Latest posts (although unofficial) are showing:
- with $30/300MB data plan, no free public wifi
- can't get visual voicemail without iPhone plan, although there was talk of a $8 a-la-carte visual voicemail option
- Can't use a family plan

Here we are, 4 days from the launch, and they're still making up the rules. What a company....

Not a chance in hell Apple would let that happen. They're already unhappy with the whole Canadian thing, they wouldn't let Rogers lock up and limit their phones like that.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Not a chance in hell Apple would let that happen. They're already unhappy with the whole Canadian thing, they wouldn't let Rogers lock up and limit their phones like that.

Guys, we need to separate "wifi" from "public wifi."

- Wifi is the technology that allows you to connect to wireless devices, such as the wireless router in your home.

- Public wifi is a service. Much like a public swimming pool, there's nothing that says Rogers is required to proved that service for free to everyone.

If Rogers is considering only granting free acess to their wifi hotspots to select packages, they are well within their rights to do so.

Note this does not mean they are locking down the technology on the phone itself, it just means (in Calgary) that you would have to pay if you wanted to connect to the wifi Rogers hotspot at Second Cup. It would have no impact whatsoever on your ability to connect to other (including your own) wireless devices.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by koop

So I will have to pay Telus for the messages they send to me??

I think they would be breaking laws if they did that actually. But for unsolicited spam messages we would still have to pay.

Overall, it's a bone headed move by Bell/Telus. As a business strategy, wouldn't it have made MORE sense to announce this AFTER July 11th?

No one ever said business managers were all that bright... but wow.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by llama64

Wow.... http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=638556

Apparently Roger's isn't the dumbest mobility company in Canada. Bell and Telus are going to start charging 15 cents(!!) per incoming text message. Even unsolicited ones such as spam. There has to be some sort of law preventing gouging like this.

Well, this certainly adds a new kink into the "Should I get an iPhone" debate.

But that is ONLY if you don't have any sort of text package. You could choose a $3/30txt, $5/100txt or $10/2500txt and all incoming are unlimited.

This move is just to prevent people from using their phone as basically a free paging service and I know a lot of people that do use texting that way. You have to figure if you text, then you text, so most likely you have some sort of texting package on your plan.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by llama64

Wow.... http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=638556

Apparently Roger's isn't the dumbest mobility company in Canada. Bell and Telus are going to start charging 15 cents(!!) per incoming text message. Even unsolicited ones such as spam. There has to be some sort of law preventing gouging like this.

Well, this certainly adds a new kink into the "Should I get an iPhone" debate.

You do realize that this charge only applies to people who have no texting package on the contract.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by HOOT

But that is ONLY if you don't have any sort of text package. You could choose a $3/30txt, $5/100txt or $10/2500txt and all incoming are unlimited.

This move is just to prevent people from using their phone as basically a free paging service and I know a lot of people that do use texting that way. You have to figure if you text, then you text, so most likely you have some sort of texting package on your plan.

So you're saying that it's perfectly fine for a company to expect it's customers to buy a texting package that they don't use just to avoid having to pay fees related to unsolicited text messages? The sales guys must love you.

Do we have to pay for every letter we receive in the mail? No, the cost is covered by the postage paid by the sender. The same should be true in cellular market. Unless you can some how invent a reason why sending a text message is more costly then physically moving a piece of mail.

[llama64]

Alright, I need some advice since everything just keeps going back and forth. I'll put this question here to refrain from over populating the forum with more iPhone chatter.

My current cell contract with Bell has just expired (yesterday) and I need a new phone.

My needs:
- a phone with a qwerty keyboard for texting.
- A decent texting/voice plan (everyone's seems to suck)
- something to replace my 512 iPod shuffle (8GB or higher would be sweet)
- ability to sync with my OSX stuff (preferably without having to purchase software)

Would it make more sense to buy a cheaper phone like the LG Rumor and get some form of iPod, or just bite the bullet and get a single iPhone or equivalent? Length of contract doesn't bother me too much since my intent is to use the darn phone till it dies anyways.

[mykalberta]

How many people get text messages from thier provider or spam messages.

I have a Telus phone for work and Rogers for personal and have never gotten a text from either company or any spam.

[photon]

You can't deny a text message, I would use this to run up the bill of people I don't like.

Cut me off in traffic, you get 10,000 text messages.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by llama64

So you're saying that it's perfectly fine for a company to expect it's customers to buy a texting package that they don't use just to avoid having to pay fees related to unsolicited text messages?

I would say 99.9% of all spam is from the consumer signing up for certain service on the internet (ie. facebook) or those TV adds (ie. get a funny joke sent to you everyday).

If you are receiving unwanted text msgs and you have asked them to stop (Its as easy as replying with the word STOP) then you should contact the CRTC. The company sending the text messages has 24 hours to stop that service, because it is against the regulations to send text msgs to an a party that does not want them after they have asked.

All text msgs from your service provider are free to receive.

The sales guys must love you.

I am confused by this?

Why would they love or hate me?

Do you actually think I make these decisions?

Also if the sales person is good at their job they will find a way to spin this in their favor by pushing text msging bundles on the consumers account, which turns into more money into their pocket. I have seen a lot of things change in the telecom business and if they can't handle this small change, my advice would be find a new job!

Do we have to pay for every letter we receive in the mail? No, the cost is covered by the postage paid by the sender. The same should be true in cellular market. Unless you can some how invent a reason why sending a text message is more costly then physically moving a piece of mail.

A text msg costs a company about 1/100th of a penny, so saying it cost more than sending a piece of mail is silly and has anyone tried to tell you this?

Also I would like to point out that I DO NOT like this move by Telus or Bell, Rogers will follow, however I was more just providing the information of why they are charging it and how it will not effect everyone.

However I find it quite funny how "we should have better rates like the USA and the rest of the world" then you go look at Verizon (largest US wireless company) terms and services:

You only pay for what you use! Text Messages sent or received are $0.20 each.

LINK

[fredr123]

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...t_iphones.html

Apple, disgusted with Rogers Wireless for dumping egregious service plans on would-be iPhone 3G buyers, has decided that its Canadian retail stores will have no part in helping the carrier market the new handset to customers, AppleInsider has learned.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by llama64

My needs:
- a phone with a qwerty keyboard for texting.
- A decent texting/voice plan (everyone's seems to suck)
- something to replace my 512 iPod shuffle (8GB or higher would be sweet)
- ability to sync with my OSX stuff (preferably without having to purchase software)

Are looking to stay with Bell? Then LG Rumor or Samsung Doubleflip are your only options unless you go to a data device.

Send me the plan details you are looking for and I will see what I can come up with, your in Alberta?

The largest GB capacity for a Bell phone at the moment is 4GB (according to manufacture specs)

I think with syncing to a MAC (thats what you mean with OSX, right?) you will have to purchase a third party software most only have Windows software included.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by HOOT

However I find it quite funny how "we should have better rates like the USA and the rest of the world" then you go look at Verizon (largest US wireless company) terms and services:

I find this absolutely infuriating.

All Canadian cellular companies are gouging their customers. If we had rates like the US, this kind of a fee would be a drop in the bucket BECAUSE OUR OVERALL BILL WOULD BE LOWER, even with this included.

Then we have the cell company shills coming and telling us that we're complaining for the sake of complaining, that we're getting good value, etc, and then laughing at us when we complain that our ridiculous fees are going to increase again.

I hope you never complain about when Gasoline prices increase, or food prices increase, or Flames tickets increase, or whatever... If you do, then you're just like the rest of us.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by HOOT

This move is just to prevent people from using their phone as basically a free paging service and I know a lot of people that do use texting that way. You have to figure if you text, then you text, so most likely you have some sort of texting package on your plan.

Free paging service.... How do you figure? The company is receiving revenue from a $20 (at minimum) voice plan, $7-9 SAF, etc.

If they're talking about a Pay-As-You-Go type phone, then just introduce this for those type of plans.

Instead, it's a money grab.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by HOOT

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All I meant by the salesman comment was that if you take that type of reasoning as justification for the rate increase, you'll probably get sold a bad plan by a sales guy. There is no valid reason to charge for incoming text messages. Justifying it by saying it only affects people who have a plan only highlights the ridiculousness of the whole idea.

I didn't say it cost more then sending a piece of mail, I actually implied the opposite. Given that it costs a nearly insignificant amount to handle a text message, why should they even charge for it. If it costs so much, add the charge to the sender.

[Finner]

Originally Posted by photon

You can't deny a text message, I would use this to run up the bill of people I don't like.

Cut me off in traffic, you get 10,000 text messages.

No kidding eh? Girlfriend dumps you. Has her cellphone hooked up to her msn messenger like most my friends do. Just keep typing letters and slamming enter on your keyboard and fire off thousands of messages to her. All payback baby..

Could easily rack up a ton of charges.

This whole thing is entirely ridiculous. Charging 0.20 for incoming?

[llama64]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Are looking to stay with Bell? Then LG Rumor or Samsung Doubleflip are your only options unless you go to a data device.

Send me the plan details you are looking for and I will see what I can come up with, your in Alberta?

The largest GB capacity for a Bell phone at the moment is 4GB (according to manufacture specs)

I think with syncing to a MAC (thats what you mean with OSX, right?) you will have to purchase a third party software most only have Windows software included.

Don't care what company I'm with, they are all garbage as far as I'm concerned. I want the best deal I can get that fits my needs.

I need about 200 minutes, 1000 text messages, voice mail and call display and don't want to spend more then $40 a month on it. And I sure as hell don't want to pay for incoming text messages. Also, having a device that can replace my iPod would be sweet. If I can achieve this with an iPhone, that's the top choice (due to WiFi capability), but if there is a device out there that offers nearly as many features, I want to know about it.

Just seems that no matter what I do in Canada, I'm going to be pushed into paying upwards of $55-$70 per month for decent service and features. And that's without a data plan.

And yes, OSX means an Apple computer. Sounds like the iPhone and the Blackberry are the two that offer the easiest syncing options. Windows Mobile sounds painful.