My dad was assaulted

[fatso]

West Karma, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I really hope your father and the other victims are all right. Can you tell us more about the incident? Time of day? Location? That is some really scary stuff... I hope this gets resolved asap.

That said, I'm surprised the mods have let this thread go on the way it has. Of course West Karma has every right to feel angry, and I can give a little leeway on the language. But, I'm a little disappointed in the others that have jumped in to play the blame game. I mean, come on... what on earth do First Nations land rights have to do with this? Or their tax situation? I have no problem with beating the crap out of these jerks, but let's call a spade a spade: what's going on here, in large part, is racist backlash.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by West Karma

I don't care what people call them. In fact, screw "Native Pride"

It is time things change in this country!! I hate the system and what the system has made most of these people. 90% of them are completely useless to society but that is a whole other post...

I am going to help my family get through this but I am never going to forget!!

I feel bad for your dad and what happened to him. My sympathy for you pretty much halted when I read the last part of that statement. You might be very upset but you are being VERY ignorant.

What a very stupid thing to say.

[Phanuthier]

My sympathies to you WK, I just hope your dad is ok. I hope those 3 get caught and are punished accordingly.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by West Karma

He lives in Southwood - 3 blocks from Southland station!!

I grew up in Southwood and coincidently took a beatdown from some Indians way back when at the Southland station. Wasn't much fun as I recall.

[604flames]

WK sorry to hear about that, hope everything turns out alright.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MJK

I feel bad for your dad and what happened to him. My sympathy for you pretty much halted when I read the last part of that statement. You might be very upset but you are being VERY ignorant.

What a very stupid thing to say.

I don't know whether it's just Calgarypuck that's full of perfect citizens who are 100% politically correct, or whether me and everyone I know are messed up, but I don't know too many people that would be able to maintain their composure and be completely PC in a situation like this.

[simonsays]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I don't know whether it's just Calgarypuck that's full of perfect citizens who are 100% politically correct, or whether me and everyone I know are messed up, but I don't know too many people that would be able to maintain their composure and be completely PC in a situation like this.

Sure but if it was 3 honkies then it'd just be 3 dudes. The PC/perfect citizen schtick/self moderation is one of the reasons why CP exists during the off season. If everyone lets their phobias/isms run unchecked then we're no better that HF (that's not true, even if we were all bigots we'd still be better than HF).

Sorry to hear about your dad West Karma, hopefully he has a quick recovery.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Anybody that has been to a resevervation knows that the entire native Canadian race has some serious issues that seem to be getting worse. Substance abuse seems to be a massive problem with natives in particular for some reason. I think a lot of Canadians attribute our "system" of dealing with natives as the biggest contributing factor of these problems, and are sick of it.

Racist. Its not politically correct to point out the obvious.

[flamesfever]

I lived one whole winter out on the Blackfoot Reserve area in the 70's and struggled with a solution to the native problems of alcohol abuse and low self esteem. At the time the government was putting up houses for them and furnishing them. In no time at all, many were torn apart to provide fuel for their campfires.

I remember coming up with the idea that they had to find some kind of enterprise that gave them back their self worth. The old idea of handing them money and giving them houses was not working.

Since then, I believe that the building of Casinos in many areas may be just the enterprise that they need to get them off the dole. I think a carefully devised plan to only allow casinos on native lands in Canada may be an answer to many of their problems.

[West Karma]

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[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by fotze

Why do we never see drunken asian people on the street? Its white or native canadian.

Many Asians can't handle alcohol, lol. They get a bad reaction.

Anyhoo, West Karma I'm sorry about what happened to your father. I hope those 3 repugnant individuals get what's coming to them. I believe in karma, and they will be punished in life.

Man, I don't know how I would react if that happened to my father. I just know I'd go ape-shat crazy, and screw the consequences.

I'm going to leave the race issues out of it because if I start now, I'll never stop

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by fotze

I can't believe that we allow these roving gangs of east indians beating people up and spreading the word of tasty buttery food.

Why do we never see drunken asian people on the street? Its white or native canadian.

what are you talking about? Just the other day my drunk asian friends and I went around "harrassing" some white women.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Many Asians can't handle alcohol, lol. They get a bad reaction.

That doesn't mean we can't get drunk. I'll have my drunk ass myself and a bad reaction to go please.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

That doesn't mean we can't get drunk. I'll have my drunk ass myself and a bad reaction to go please.

Haha, I know know. I have witnessed such a phenomenon many times.

[Ice]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Since then, I believe that the building of Casinos in many areas may be just the enterprise that they need to get them off the dole. I think a carefully devised plan to only allow casinos on native lands in Canada may be an answer to many of their problems.

Be careful about this one. California didn't properly set up thier Indian Casino laws after the voters passed that proposition. So, what was proposed to the voters as being Casinos out on the Indian reservations has turned out different. Cleverly, the Indian Tribal Councils have purchased land and therefore, it becomes reservation land and they can build casinos on it.

Now, in the middle of beautiful scenery in the Siskiyou Mountains, there's a monstrosity of an Indian Casino, and that's not the only place its happened. There was speculation this type of thing would happen but we were assured by politicians that was not the case. Its a terrible loophole.

Additionally, out of all the tribes in California, there are only four who are building casinos. The overall Indian population has not seen any improvement in their quality of life. But four tribes have gotten wealthier and wealthier. I'm not sure the Indian casinos are the solution they were cracked up to be.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by West Karma

I have reflected overnight regarding some of the comments that have been made on this board by both myself and others.

The first thing I want to say is that I am not a racist - if any of you knew me you would agree. My company has done work with all races, all over the world and I have great business/personal relationships with essentially everyone I come in contact with.

Now, what I am eluding to in terms of the "First Nations People" is that there is a serious problem throughout Canada and the United States. Sugarcoat it all you want...the problem is there and is not going away until the government steps in and does something about it.

I know my father's "friends" could have been any race. I am not too naive to say that, but it wasn't - these were 3 messed up, Lysol drinking, beligerent natives who did this. It was 3 PM in the afternoon while he was bending over cleaning his lawnmower.

I do not blame these individuals, I blame the government and their agencies for the many decades of permitting this problem to get out of hand.

My 90% comment was from personal experience. I have spent summers in Kenora, Ontario where you cannot even get into the entrance to their mall because their are dozens of natives passed out in front from a big party they had they night before. I am talking about friends of mine in law enforcement and medical services, that have told terrible stories of neglect and criminal activities that occur daily on reserves all over Canada. I am talking about downtown Chilliwack, BC where I will not permit my wife or children to go shopping because the natives are so abundant and bothersome that people feel unsafe. I am talking about driving 2 hours south of Calgary through the Reserve by Pincher Creek. It looks like Bagdad after the war. I am talking about when the police came yesterday to my father's house, he hopped in a police car and they went from Anderson Station to Southland Station and woke up over 60 passed out, drunk natives sleeping under trees - this was 6PM at night.

I have concerns with Asian Gangs, White Supremacy, H-A's, and even white kids who take pick axes to house parties so I am not singling out the Native community. Native Pride is fine - let's not just sweep everything under the rug and pretend that this label changes everything.

This is Canada for crying out loud! Racists? No, I just want something done about this serious problem in Canada. It embarrasing! My dad is tough and will be alright, but what about the other 2 victims that night, a couple of my Dad's area neighbours?? What if they are not? What if one of them was your 78 year old grandmother?- would you have a problem with them then?? What's it going to take? Canada needs to wake up and do something about this problem!!!

Great post, hopefully that will clear things up for some of the people in this thread.

[chris lindberg]

I believe these guys will eventually get what's coming to them also, what goes around still comes around, I have witnessed a few events first hand...

When I was a child aneighbor kicked my dog and killed her, I cried to my grandmother and she told me, something bad will happen to this man because he did this, sure enough, about 2-3 years later he lost his legs in an accident.

[8 Ball]

Sorry to hear about your dad. Hopefully soon these three will run into the wrong dude, instead of a senior citizen cleaning his lawn mower.

[troutman]

I think the reserve system is failing us - all Canadians, natives included. Everyone I know in Native Affairs says the same thing, off the record.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by chris lindberg

I believe these guys will eventually get what's coming to them also, what goes around still comes around, I have witnessed a few events first hand...

When I was a child aneighbor kicked my dog and killed her, I cried to my grandmother and she told me, something bad will happen to this man because he did this, sure enough, about 2-3 years later he lost his legs in an accident.

Getting whats coming to them does not solve the problem. And while putting these 3 in jail for assault would be the right thing to do, that still doesn't do anything for all the rest of the idiots who love to beat up people for 20 bucks.