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DAN0383 · 06-13-2008, 11:19 PM

90% is a pretty broad sweeping statement, goto the Tsuu' Tina or any other reserve and you will find that most of the people are pretty good, you can't paint a whole population with a brush because your dad got mugged by some drunk s in a alley.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 06-13-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DAN0383

90% is a pretty broad sweeping statement, goto the Tsuu' Tina or any other reserve and you will find that most of the people are pretty good, you can't paint a whole population with a brush because your dad got mugged by some drunk s in a alley.

Agreed. Obviously what happened was a tragedy, and being a victim of violence is a terrible thing, both physically and psychologically. But letting your anger turn you against an entire ethnic group won't help your dad--it will just make you intolerant. Those guys didn't assault your dad because of their ethnicity. You shouldn't hate them for their ethnicity either. Hate them for what they did--that's fine--but I think you'll be better off and more at peace with yourself if you leave the racial stuff out of it.

Muta · 06-13-2008, 11:50 PM

Well, I've had more run-ins with natives in this city than any other 'race' combined, so there is a problem somewhere along the lines, and to deny that there isn't because the race card may be played, well then THAT's getting ignorant.

Obviously West Karma's dad was picked at random; it's a sad time, but also realistic, when you initially assume it might have been a gang of natives. But, in this city, that's the way it is alot of the time.

jar_e · 06-13-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by West Karma

I don't care what people call them. In fact, screw "Native Pride"

It is time things change in this country!! I hate the system and what the system has made most of these people. 90% of them are completely useless to society but that is a whole other post...

I am going to help my family get through this but I am never going to forget!!

Give me a break. You truly believe that only ONE out of 10 natives are productive to society?!?!? I have no relation to any first nations but that is an incredibly racist and stupid comment.

chris lindberg · 06-14-2008, 12:12 AM

^ Agreed, sterotyping a whole race is just plain wrong.

Perhaps the thread title should be changed to... "Father: assaulted by two Native Canadians" and not refer to all Aboriginal people.

jayswin · 06-14-2008, 12:19 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't want to sound like I'm supporting profiling, but if my dad had just been assaulted by three natives, I know for a fact I would be saying things that I wouldn't normally say. Just something to keep in mind.

psicodude · 06-14-2008, 12:25 AM

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Give me a break. You truly believe that only ONE out of 10 natives are productive to society?!?!? I have no relation to any first nations but that is an incredibly racist and stupid comment.

I disagree. I am sure 90% is an exaggeration, but I would wager a guess that way under half of the natives that live in or around Calgary are productive to society. No science or anything to back it up, just first hand experience. I work downtown, and without a doubt the native race cause the most issues when compared to other races.

Anybody that has been to a resevervation knows that the entire native Canadian race has some serious issues that seem to be getting worse. Substance abuse seems to be a massive problem with natives in particular for some reason. I think a lot of Canadians attribute our "system" of dealing with natives as the biggest contributing factor of these problems, and are sick of it.

jayswin · 06-14-2008, 12:29 AM

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I disagree. I am sure 90% is an exaggeration, but I would wager a guess that way under half of the natives that live in or around Calgary are productive to society. No science or anything to back it up, just first hand experience. I work downtown, and without a doubt the native race cause the most issues when compared to other races.

Anybody that has been to a resevervation knows that the entire native Canadian race has some serious issues that seem to be getting worse. Substance abuse seems to be a massive problem with natives in particular for some reason. I think a lot of Canadians attribute our "system" of dealing with natives as the biggest contributing factor of these problems, and are sick of it.

I would agree that simply pointing out that a certain race has some serious problems isn't racist, it is in this case a known fact. The issues of first nation people is well known. I think what Jar-e was reffering to was the post saying that 1 in 10 natives is a contributing member of society, that stat was a little over the top and kind of baseless imo.

jar_e · 06-14-2008, 12:34 AM

Not to derail the thread (though it seems like its headed this way), but I definitely agree that there are problems with first nations in Canada. I lived in northwest BC surrounded by a few reserves and saw it first hand. I also now work with the emergency services and experience some things through that as well.

There's no doubt in my mind that a lot of people feel that the stereotypes are based on the truth (and I'll be the first to say that defining a contributing member of society is near impossible) but I was only speaking on the 90% figure....that is all.

psicodude · 06-14-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

I would agree that simply pointing out that a certain race has some serious problems isn't racist, it is in this case a known fact. The issues of first nation people is well known. I think what Jar-e was reffering to was the post saying that 1 in 10 natives is a contributing member of society, that stat was a little over the top and kind of baseless imo.

Agreed. If my dad just got beatup, however, I wouldn't be real concerned about acurate stats though.

I think what really peed the OP off was that, although these acts are caused by people from every race, only natives are given opportunity on a silver platter (education, tax-free, etc.)

chris lindberg · 06-14-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by West Karma

In fact, screw "Native Pride"

And it looks as if this long cycle of hate continues...

JiriHrdina · 06-14-2008, 12:38 AM

Why does it even matter what race they were?

Your dad was assaulted by some idiots. Their race has nothing to with it.

Sorry for it happening but it doesn't give you a right to be ignorant and toss around terms that are no longer considered appropriate.

flylock shox · 06-14-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't want to sound like I'm supporting profiling, but if my dad had just been assaulted by three natives, I know for a fact I would be saying things that I wouldn't normally say. Just something to keep in mind.

, and something to be borne in mind.

Now that the OP's had a chance to vent a bit, I suggest the thread should get back on track - as reflected by the new thread title. If people want to debate the status of Canada's aboriginal population, or racial stereotyping in general, another thread can be created for that.

edit: Did CP's censor just blank out my "Quoted for Truth" acronym? I think it did! How dare it!?! What's that all aboot?

Rifleman · 06-14-2008, 01:44 AM

Sorry to hear this happened to your dad. I've heard several stories similar to yours. Indians would come up, ask for change, and if you refused, they would knock you in the head in a special Indian way, and you would lose consciousness while they took your belongings. It seems Indians have a talent for hitting someone just so, so they lose consciousness.

rockstar · 06-14-2008, 02:17 AM

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Sorry to hear this happened to your dad. I've heard several stories similar to yours. Indians would come up, ask for change, and if you refused, they would knock you in the head in a special Indian way, and you would lose consciousness while they took your belongings. It seems Indians have a talent for hitting someone just so, so they lose consciousness.

I've heard a lot of similar stories as well, which might lead me to believe that these kind of incidents have more to do with race than some people will claim.

It is a problem, and has been for quite some time. A lot of the time, when you hear of incidents such as this (random attacks), it does involve native Canadians. To deny that it is a problem is ignorant, IMO.

Blaster86 · 06-14-2008, 02:41 AM

I never read any other response. But in my opinion, kill them with fire and laugh at them as they fry.

The White Out · 06-14-2008, 02:49 AM

hope you catch them

BuzzardsWife · 06-14-2008, 02:55 AM

Terrible thing to happen to your Dad. I would lose my mind if that happened to my dad. This thread is full of hate though. I saw a cool bumper sticker the other day, Hate is NOT a family value.

Igottago · 06-14-2008, 04:23 AM

Its really terrible what happened to your dad. The people responsible need to be punished for it. But your racist comments are unnecessary. White people commite crimes like this as well. So does every other race. I understand your anger, but your blame of an entire race is pretty ignorant. I hope the authorities find the people that did this and punish them accordingly.

Jayems · 06-14-2008, 06:51 AM

Victims of a violent assault are eligible to recieve a one time, lump sum payment from the Alberta Victim's of Crime Act's, Victim's Fund.

Contact Calgary Police's Victim's Assistance Unit. They'll point him in the right direction.

http://www.calgarypolice.ca/sections/community/vau.html

As long as the assault happened in Alberta, a police report has been filed, and he cooperates with the investigation (court etc).