Marine throws puppy off a cliff

[I_am_Beast]

Originally Posted by Azure

And your point is?

I never said it was right, or a good thing.

My problem is that you explicitly said you'd take a gun and shoot this 'mofo' in the head, personally...after he threw the puppy off the cliff.

If you need to focus on just a single point to sleep at night thats fine, i'd be sleeping just fine after the " mofo's" in that postion to do such things arn't anymore....

seriously the stories my friend told me about his UN tours in the middle east, europe ect.... doesn't paint a nice picture of our so called "help"

cause and effect

the effect of this 'mofo' can have an effect that could cost many people their lifes, might as well end it before it starts....

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well, if you're talking about Bin Laden, yes I think my dog's life is more important than him.

How about if someone threw your dog off a cliff? Would you think that your dog's life was worth more than that persons?

You were implying that people who abuse animals are people we could 'do without'...which I assume means having them 'dead'....and to make them 'dead'....you have to 'kill' them.

That's a bit of a stretch. Saying that I wouldn't be upset if somone met a terrible fate isn't at all the same thing as saying we should kill them. Honestly, I see comments on here all the time where people say we should put pedaphiles in general population because we know what would happen and few people would shed a tear... it's no different than what I am saying.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

If you need to focus on just a single point to sleep at night thats fine, i'd be sleeping just as soundly after " mofo's" are in that postion to do such things anymore....

Maybe you shouldn't make stupid comments like that anymore, and people won't 'focus' on them.

seriously the stories my friend told me about his UN tours in the middle east, europe ect.... doesn't paint a nice picture of our so called "help"

And you also said your friend was involved in an incident that created a big stir in the media. I asked you for a link and you still haven't provided one.

the effect of this 'mofo' can have an effect that could cost many people their lifes, might as well end it before it starts....

And by ending it you mean kill the guy, throw him in prison or what? How on earth should the Marine Corps know that the guy is going to throw a puppy off the cliff?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

How about if someone threw your dog off a cliff? Would you think that your dog's life was worth more than that persons?

I wouldn't be happy....but I sure wouldn't want to 'kill' the guy, or have him killed.

That's a bit of a stretch. Saying that I wouldn't be upset if somone met a terrible fate isn't at all the same thing as saying we should kill them. Honestly, I see comments on here all the time where people say we should put pedaphiles in general population because we know what would happen and few people would shed a tear... it's no different than what I am saying.

You initially said you'd be upset, and afterwards you said that society could do without those kinds of people. Well, we COULD do without pedophiles, rapists, child killers, etc, etc too. Are you seriously comparing someone who threw a puppy off a cliff to those kinds of people?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

I wouldn't be happy....but I sure wouldn't want to 'kill' the guy, or have him killed.



You initially said you'd be upset, and afterwards you said that society could do without those kinds of people. Well, we COULD do without pedophiles, rapists, child killers, etc, etc too. Are you seriously comparing someone who threw a puppy off a cliff to those kinds of people?

Yeah, I am comparing people who torture animals to other types of sociopaths (pedaphiles, murderers, rapists). In fact, many murderers start off by killing animals. I wouldn't be said if any of those types of people died from misadventure.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, am comparing people who torture animals to other types of sociopaths (pedaphiles, murderers, rapists). In fact, many murderers start off by killing animals. I wouldn't be said if any of those types of people died of misadventure.

Ah well...I disagree with that.

I'm glad our court system does too. Because animal life should never be valued above human life.

[I_am_Beast]

Originally Posted by Azure

Maybe you shouldn't make stupid comments like that anymore, and people won't 'focus' on them.



And you also said your friend was involved in an incident that created a big stir in the media. I asked you for a link and you still haven't provided one.



And by ending it you mean kill the guy, throw him in prison or what? How on earth should the Marine Corps know that the guy is going to throw a puppy off the cliff?

the only stupid point is not being able to follow a change reaction that could cost more people their lifes, that didn't even have anything to do with the example in the first place....

under those terms on why the marine is there is alot different than if he did it over here, we are in their country, trying to help...his action don't...

back home, he'd be fined, is that fair no? jailed maybe, killed no.... but in an enviroment where your actions can seriously result the out come of your life and other, his actions deserve my outcome....

How would you feel if your buddied died because some child saw his he puppy tossed over cliff, so the child strapped on a explosive vest and walked into a division? All these people need is a reason, someone somewhere will follow that result.....and it's never good.

Sorry about the link, it was awhile ago, next time i talk to him i can maybe get a photo copy of the clipping....

I'm not saying the marines will know if a guy will do such a thing, but making an example will solve more problems and lives down the road than a slap on the hand....

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, am comparing people who torture animals to other types of sociopaths (pedaphiles, murderers, rapists). In fact, many murderers start off by killing animals. I wouldn't be said if any of those types of people died of misadventure.

So people who spend an afternoon shooting gophers should die?

[I_am_Beast]

BTW if some azz clown grabbed my dog and tossed him over a cliff for no reason, i can guarantee the next thud you'd hear was him following the dog down.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

the only stupid point is not being able to follow a change reaction that could cost more people their lifes, that didn't even have anything to do with the example in the first place....

That has nothing to do with this.

YOU said that you'd personally kill the Marine if you saw him do something like this, and I took issue with THAT, not with the fact that it might create tensions where his unit is supposed to operate.

under those terms on why the marine is there is alot different than if he did it over here, we are in their country, trying to help...his action don't...

No kidding.

back home, he'd be fined, is that fair no? jailed maybe, killed no.... but in an enviroment where your actions can seriously result the out come of your life and other, his actions deserve my outcome....

No his actions do NOT deserve your outcome. You're so off your rocker here its not even ridiculous.

How would you feel if your buddied died because some child saw his he puppy tossed over cliff, so the child strapped on a explosive vest and walked into a division? All these people need is a reason, someone somewhere will follow that result.....and it's never good.

Of course its not good, nobody said it was GOOD.

But its not GOOD to take a gun and shoot him in the head.

Sorry about the link, it was awhile ago, next time i talk to him i can maybe get a photo copy of the clipping....

BS. If the media made a big deal about it, there would being archives on the internet. Surely you remember the incident and could do a Google search on it.

I'm not saying the marines will know if a guy will do such a thing, but making an example will solve more problems and lives down the road than a slap on the hand....

So you think they should take him out back, put a bullet in his head....and by doing that stop the next Marine who so dearly wanted to throw a puppy off the cliff from doing so?

What percentage of Marines throw puppies off cliffs?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

BTW is some azz clown grabbed my dog and tossed him over a cliff for no reason, i can guarantee the next thud you'd hear was him follwing the dog down.

And then you could happily spend the rest of your life in prison(hopefully)....but its all good, just as long as you killed the guy who threw your puppy of the cliff.

Or if I take your viewpoint here....you should be taken out back and shot after doing that....just to keep the next person from killing the guy who threw his puppy off the cliff.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

So people who spend an afternoon shooting gophers should die?

Hopefully this is the last time I have to clarify this (it's getting rather annoying), but nowhere did I say they SHOULD die. All I said is that I wouldn't be upset IF they died (from misadventure). Big difference.

But to answer your question, I wouldn't be upset either if someone who sits around and kills gophers to get their jollies suddenly had their gun backfire into their face.

[I_am_Beast]

man i love the internet and the whole stand by of "show me the link" to validate... look it up as you said "google it yourself" there are so many stories out there ya don't need me to open your shallow POV.... educating is not my job, do it yourself.

ya may think i'm off my rocker, so be it, i take it you don't own a dog? I know so many owners that would give their life to save their dog, does that make them off their rocker?

either way a human dies, one to save a life and one because he needlessly took one, i'd rather call the latter my friend any day of the week.

and yes, i'd have no problem spending the rest of my life in jail for somethig i believe in...... as long as i get the flames game on TV!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

man i love the internet and the whole stand by of "show me the link" to validate... look it up as you said "google it yourself" there are so many stories out there ya don't need me to open your shallow POV.... educating is not my job, do it yourself.

You're the one who was making the claim, now BACK IT UP. I don't even have a clue what to look for. Otherwise you're nothing more than a liar who made crap up to try and substantiate your point.

ya may think i'm off my rocker, so be it, i take it you don't own a dog? I know so many owners that would give their life to save their dog, does that make them off their rocker?

Yes I do own a dog. And 4 cats. Whats your point? That I should have the opinion of wanting to 'kill' someone if they harm my dog? Sorry, but while I wouldn't like it, I'd rather not go to prison for the rest of my life. Plus, its just stupid.

either way a human dies, one to save a life and one because he needlessly took one, i'd rather call the latter my friend any day of the week.

Funny.

The other day someone told me that had the US invaded Iraq, rounded up 100,000 Sunni Muslims, executed them all, they would have actually 'saved' lives in the progress.

But how do we know that for sure? Can you look into the future or something?

and yes, i'd have no problem spending the rest of my life in jail for somethig i believe in...... as long as i get the flames game on TV!

You believe in killing someone who hurts your dog? Okay then.

Lets just say your belief system is screwed up.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hopefully this is the last time I have to clarify this (it's getting rather annoying), but nowhere did I say they SHOULD die. All I said is that I wouldn't be upset IF they died (from misadventure). Big difference.

But to answer your question, I wouldn't be upset either if someone who sits around and kills gophers to get their jollies suddenly had their gun backfire into their face.

Fair enough. Just one more question, do you consider people who shoot gophers sociopaths? Honestly I'm just curious.

[I_am_Beast]

Originally Posted by Azure

You're the one who was making the claim, now BACK IT UP. I don't even have a clue what to look for. Otherwise you're nothing more than a liar who made crap up to try and substantiate your point.

Yes I do own a dog. And 4 cats. Whats your point? That I should have the opinion of wanting to 'kill' someone if they harm my dog? Sorry, but while I wouldn't like it, I'd rather not go to prison for the rest of my life. Plus, its just stupid.

Funny.

The other day someone told me that had the US invaded Iraq, rounded up 100,000 Sunni Muslims, executed them all, they would have actually 'saved' lives in the progress.

But how do we know that for sure? Can you look into the future or something?

You believe in killing someone who hurts your dog? Okay then.

Lets just say your belief system is screwed up.

well unlike you i will stand-up for what i believe in, not just be an "armchair quarterback" when it suits me....


well if you wanna say my "belief system is screwed up" thats fine but it's only screwed up to you....others may agree or not..but i know alot of people who would do the same thing.

BTw ya need me to dog sit i'm available

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

Ah well...I disagree with that.

I'm glad our court system does too. Because animal life should never be valued above human life.

I have never heard of any court anywhere issuing a sentence of; "no longer having me care whether you live or die". If they did, it would be a pretty light sentence. I can just see it:

Judge: In lieu of a prison sentence, you are hereby sentenced to know that if you died, I would not be sad in the least!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Fair enough. Just one more question, do you consider people who shoot gophers sociopaths? Honestly I'm just curious.

I think if people shoot them out of necessity, then that's fine. If they're farmers or if their population is out of control, then fine.

But I think that if someone actually finds amusement in the fact they are killing something, then they have some serious problems. Nobody should feel joy simply because they are removing life from the planet. It's probably not as bad as killing an animal with a highly evolved emotional response, like a dog. I think that is one of the things that bugs me about killing dogs is that they have been genetically selected over generations to identify with humans and to be companions on an emotional level. Unlike gophers, dogs seek humans for companionship and security.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think if people shoot them out of necessity, then that's fine. If they're farmers or if their population is out of control, then fine.

But I think that if someone actually finds amusement in the fact they are killing something, then they have some serious problems. Nobody should feel joy simply because they are removing life from the planet. It's probably not as bad as killing an animal with a highly evolved emotional response, like a dog. I think that is one of the things that bugs me about killing dogs is that they have been genetically selected over generations to identify with humans and to be companions on an emotional level. Unlike gophers, dogs seek humans for companionship and security.

Great response to a great question.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

well unlike you i will stand-up for what i believe in, not just be an "armchair quarterback" when it suits me....

Okay then.

Still no link?

well if you wanna say my "belief system is screwed up" thats fine but it's only screwed up to you....others may agree or not..but i know alot of people who would do the same thing.

I don't. I know even more people who wouldn't kill a dog unless it was warranted, and even more who wouldn't kill another human being.