Marine throws puppy off a cliff

[Knut]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I saw this on the news yesterday, and with all the animal lovers around here, I'm surprised no one has posted it:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/11/marine.puppy/

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/4346...oit_puppy.html

Winning the hearts of Iraqis since 2003... Pretty disgusting act. I wouldn't be too terribly sad if those marines come face-to-face with an RPG or IED.

From Iambeast

I'm pretty sure the marine didn't mistake the puppy for Turkeys!

having 2 dogs myself, and we as a race should be reflected upon on how we treat others, if i was there in that division i would have drop that mofo with a single shot to his head, a more caring result that what he just did to that puppy.

Two people who wish death on these guys ???? While it is a dispicable act, you guys would honestly be happy if these marines were killed?

[Matata]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Seeing as how the marines haven't even debunked it, I'm not sure how much I would put into "another internet forum".

There is no point in saying 'it was already dead', the existence of the video is the issue, splitting hairs could only end up in them digging a bigger hole for themselves.

And the gang-pile begins, sorry for trying to bring some perspective to the situation. I retract my previous posts and replace them with 'OMFG puppies are soooooo cute, these men are clearly gutless demonic beasts guised in human human who should be murdered with blowtorches and tweezers *runs into closet, squinting eyes closed and plugging ears*'.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

On top of that, the thrower has been given the boot and his buddy disciplined. I really don't think the dog was already dead.

Exactly.

The marines said that after a thorough investigation, that the act was "deplorable" and that the soldier will be disciplined. If after the investigation it was found that the puppy was dead, I am 100% sure that the marines would have mentioned it in their statement.

Besides, anyone who has ever picked a puppy up by the scruff knows that the body positions itself like in the video. If it was dead, it would have been limp. Unless it was recently dead, then rigor mortis would have made it stiff as a board (which it wasn't in that video).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Hesla

From Iambeast


Two people who wish death on these guys ???? While it is a dispicable act, you guys would honestly be happy if these marines were killed?

I didn't say that I would be happy or that I wished death on them, all I said was that I wouldn't be too terribly sad... and that's true. I'd probably be indifferent. As far as I'd be concerned, it would be a couple less psychos in the world.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Hesla

From Iambeast


Two people who wish death on these guys ???? While it is a dispicable act, you guys would honestly be happy if these marines were killed?

Strange isn't it?

Both of them bitch about the dog being killed, but they have no problem with the Marine dying either.

The double standard is pathetic.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Matata

There is no point in saying 'it was already dead', the existence of the video is the issue, splitting hairs could only end up in them digging a bigger hole for themselves.

And the gang-pile begins, sorry for trying to bring some perspective to the situation. I retract my previous posts and replace them with 'OMFG puppies are soooooo cute, these men are clearly gutless demonic beasts guised in human human who should be murdered with blowtorches and tweezers *runs into closet, squinting eyes closed and plugging ears*'.

I don't buy it. I haven't seen one reputable source debunk the video... not one.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

Strange isn't it?

Both of them bitch about the dog being killed, but they have no problem with the Marine dying either.

The double standard is pathetic.

Why is it a double standard? If the dog has visciously killed an innocent person, I wouldn't shed a tear if the dog was put down either.

[I_am_Beast]

Originally Posted by Hesla

From Iambeast


Two people who wish death on these guys ???? While it is a dispicable act, you guys would honestly be happy if these marines were killed?

My buddy who was in the UN got an "honorable" discharge for almost the same thing, he even raised his gun to his commander and trained it on his head to end the idiots actions.... The result of the actiuons of a few can undermine the entire reason for being there....

My friend broke the code for training his weapon on his commander, thus being let go, but the whole company back him up and he went straight to the media, there was a huge media report on this....

we don't even hear 10% of the crap that goes on these "missions of peace" in most cases the populous are better off than before we get involved......

[firebug]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I saw this on the news yesterday, and with all the animal lovers around here, I'm surprised no one has posted it:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/11/marine.puppy/

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/4346...oit_puppy.html

Winning the hearts of Iraqis since 2003... Pretty disgusting act. I wouldn't be too terribly sad if those marines come face-to-face with an RPG or IED.

Kinda how whenever I see someone swerve to run over a gopher on the road, I always secretly wish them to be horribly mangled in an auto accident.

Terrible incident, but lets not get carried away.

~firebug

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Why is it a double standard? If the dog has visciously killed an innocent person, I wouldn't shed a tear if the dog was put down either.

Thats not the point.

The point is that you both wouldn't have a problem if the Marine was killed. As horrible as this act was(and I agree that it was)....last time I checked human life is a bit more 'important' than an animal's life. And if we've come so far as a society in terms of morality and value of human life, that people are not executed when they kill another human being, why on earth would you wish death upon someone who threw a 'dog' off a cliff?

So while I agree that the Marine should be disciplined and punished, I do not agree with the sentiment of not feeling sorry if he 'died' and even going so far as to say "i would have drop that mofo with a single shot to his head, "

And don't give me the crap about just feeling 'indifferent' about it....should it happen.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't buy it. I haven't seen one reputable source debunk the video... not one.

The reason for the debunk, the puppy didn't move when airborne. I don't know how a puppy would fly through the air, I would imagine it would scramble and convulse considerably. They soldiers also don't give a good shot of the dog, not letting the viewer verify if its alive or dead.

The puppies 'yipping' gets louder as it gets farther away, a high frequency yelp would barely get picked up on a cheap, on camera mic at that distance. The dog doesn't make a move but lets out a physics defying howl? This is the reasoning behind the debunk.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

My buddy who was in the UN got an "honorable" discharge for almost the same thing, he even raised his gun to his commander and trained it on his head to end the idiots actions.... The result of the actiuons of a few can undermine the entire reason for being there....

Correct me if I'm wrong CC, but wouldn't his 'buddy' be court-martialed if he did that? And most likely would face criminal charges under military law?

My friend broke the code for training his weapon on his commander, thus being let go, but the whole company back him up and he went straight to the media, there was a huge media report on this....

And you have a link to this, right?

we don't even hear 10% of the crap that goes on these "missions of peace" in most cases the populous are better off than before we get involved......

I agree, it would be great for the innocent civilians if UN soldiers didn't 'rape' them, but should I suddenly form a stereotype about ALL the UN soldiers because a few of them are idiots?

And yes, the people of Darfur, the people of Haiti and Rwanda....they're much better off without international involvement.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

Thats not the point.

The point is that you both wouldn't have a problem if the Marine was killed. As horrible as this act was(and I agree that it was)....last time I checked human life is a bit more 'important' than an animal's life. And if we've come so far as a society in terms of morality and value of human life, that people are not executed when they kill another human being, why on earth would you wish death upon someone who threw a 'dog' off a cliff?

So while I agree that the Marine should be disciplined and punished, I do not agree with the sentiment of not feeling sorry if he 'died' and even going so far as to say "i would have drop that mofo with a single shot to his head, "

And don't give me the crap about just feeling 'indifferent' about it....should it happen.

Really?

So there is no one in the world that you wouldn't care if he died? Paul Bernardo, Osama Bin Laden, Willie Pickton? They are all human lives, so does that mean that by default, no matter what their actions are, they are worth more than animal life? I'm not advocating a death penalty by any means, but that doesn't mean that I should care about whether they live or die.

Personally, I have no problem admitting that there are people in this world that we can do without. People who abuse animals for their own enjoyment fit into this group.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Really?

So there is no one in the world that you wouldn't care if he died? Paul Bernardo, Osama Bin Laden, Willie Pickton? They are all human lives, so does that mean that by default, no matter what their actions are, they are worth more than animal life? I'm not advocating a death penalty by any means, but that doesn't mean that I should care about whether they live or die.

You're not seriously comparing THOSE people to someone who apparently threw a dog off a cliff.



There is a big difference between the two.

Personally, I have no problem admitting that there are people in this world that we can do without. People who abuse animals for their own enjoyment fit into this group.

I admit the same thing. But I don't agree that we should start 'killing' people who abuse animals.

[burn_baby_burn]

As horrible as the act is. Is it really that shocking? Arn't these guys trained to be ruthless killers? I mean if your job is to kill other human beings. Throwing a puppy off a cliff must seem like no big deal to that individual.

I'm sure the only reason the marine in question has been discharged, was because of the public out cry over the video. It paints the Marines in a bad light to the public at a time when enlistment is way down. I would bet that any Marine that performed a similar act in the past that wasn't caught on video, wasn't disciplined in the least.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Matata

The reason for the debunk, the puppy didn't move when airborne. I don't know how a puppy would fly through the air, I would imagine it would scramble and convulse considerably. They soldiers also don't give a good shot of the dog, not letting the viewer verify if its alive or dead.

The puppies 'yipping' gets louder as it gets farther away, a high frequency yelp would barely get picked up on a cheap, on camera mic at that distance. The dog doesn't make a move but lets out a physics defying howl? This is the reasoning behind the debunk.

Well, that's your opinion I guess. It's not enough to convince me. Puppies are generally weak and the centrifical force of the spinning could easily prevent it from natural movement in the air. As well, the yelping would get louder as the fear grew, just like people tend to scream louder when they become more afraid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

You're not seriously comparing THOSE people to someone who apparently threw a dog off a cliff.



There is a big difference between the two.

So really, you agree then that human life is not always more valuable than animal life. We just disagree on what degree of evil it takes to decrease the human life to a lesser value than that of an animal.

I admit the same thing. But I don't agree that we should start 'killing' people who abuse animals.

You'll have to show me where I said we should start killing people who abuse animals.

[I_am_Beast]

Originally Posted by Azure

Thats not the point.

The point is that you both wouldn't have a problem if the Marine was killed. As horrible as this act was(and I agree that it was)....last time I checked human life is a bit more 'important' than an animal's life. And if we've come so far as a society in terms of morality and value of human life, that people are not executed when they kill another human being, why on earth would you wish death upon someone who threw a 'dog' off a cliff?

So while I agree that the Marine should be disciplined and punished, I do not agree with the sentiment of not feeling sorry if he 'died' and even going so far as to say "i would have drop that mofo with a single shot to his head, "

And don't give me the crap about just feeling 'indifferent' about it....should it happen.

just looking at the bigger picture, your there to help these people, not create reason to mistrust and hate.....what happens off camera the family of this dog was there, they seen what happened and maybe a month later that family knows some information that could save lives and they don't say anything because of this man actions and 10 more marines die.... what would you rather happen stop the chain reaction of let other dies because of the so called "puppy"

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So really, you agree then that human life is not always more valuable than animal life. We just disagree on what degree of evil it takes to decrease the human life to a lesser value than that of an animal.

Well, if you're talking about Bin Laden, yes I think my dog's life is more important than him.

You'll have to show me where I said we should start killing people who abuse animals.

You were implying that people who abuse animals are people we could 'do without'...which I assume means having them 'dead'....and to make them 'dead'....you have to 'kill' them.

Personally, I have no problem admitting that there are people in this world that we can do without. People who abuse animals for their own enjoyment fit into this group.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

just looking at the bigger picture, your there to help these people, not create reason to mistrust and hate.....what happens off camera the family of this dog was there, they seen what happened and maybe a month later that family knows some information that could save lives and they don't say anything because of this man actions and 10 more marines die.... what would you rather happen stop the chain reaction of let other dies because of the so called "puppy"

And your point is?

I never said it was right, or a good thing.

My problem is that you explicitly said you'd take a gun and shoot this 'mofo' in the head, personally...after he threw the puppy off the cliff.