DNA frees man who had served 27 years for murder

[Weiser Wonder]

Another reason why the death penalty is just not worth it.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Beats having tax payers pay $50,000 a year for the rest of their life.

Cheaper to keep a man in prison the rest of his life than to execute him at least in the States.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What do you mean by that?

Its so private and 'humane' these days that nobody actually cares or realizes what is happening.

Same thing with 'jail'....inmates are almost living comfortably instead of being thrown into a 4x8 cell, without windows and only a cot and a toilet to keep them company.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Another reason why the death penalty is just not worth it.


Cheaper to keep a man in prison the rest of his life than to execute him at least in the States.

Its not cheap to try a man, find him guilty, and shoot him in the head the next day.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iggy's Forehead

How can it be $50,000 a year PER PRISONER when it's much, much less for an average person to pay rent, eat food, pay bills, get clothes, bla bla bla for a year?

Because when you're on death row you're often in prison for many years, and along with hte rent, food, bills, clothes, etc, etc....you also have legal fees because of the mandatory appeals.

In other words, the justice system is screwed up.

If you're going to have a death penalty, get rid of those on death row as quickly as possible.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its not cheap to try a man, find him guilty, and shoot him in the head the next day.

Good luck with that one. We live in a modern society where people have rights.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Iggy's Forehead

Fine, but then we're stretching the truth to say $50,000 per person, because a lot of those costs are mandatory to even have prison. Operating costs would be there regardless, they don't multiply exponentially for every new prisoner.

Who said anything about multiplying the costs exponentially for every additional prisoner? The figure is bandied about as a relative measure when people want to qualify prison costs.

http://www.prisonjustice.ca/politics/facts_stats.html

To boot, the $50,000/year cost is outdated at least for Canadian prisoners.

<LI class=navlist>Cost of incarcerating a Federal prisoner: $259.05 per prisoner/per day <LI class=navlist>Cost of incarcerating a Federal female prisoner: $150,000-$250,000 per prisoner/per year <LI class=navlist>Cost of incarcerating a Federal male prisoner: $87,665 per prisoner/per year <LI class=navlist>Cost of incarcerating a provincial prisoner: $141.78: per prisoner/per day

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

http://www43.statcan.ca/04/04b/04b_003c_e.htm

The average daily cost of housing an inmate was $189 at the federal level and $137 at the provincial level.

That's close to 70 grand a year and that's 2001 numbers. Seems awful steep to me but hey, what do I know?

http://www.solicitorgeneral.gov.ab.c...nt_custody.htm

That has it at 95 bucks a day in Alberta prisons.

I wonder how much cheaper than would be if jails started taking away some of the un-needed privileges.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

http://www43.statcan.ca/04/04b/04b_003c_e.htm

The average daily cost of housing an inmate was $189 at the federal level and $137 at the provincial level.

That's close to 70 grand a year and that's 2001 numbers. Seems awful steep to me but hey, what do I know?

http://www.solicitorgeneral.gov.ab.c...nt_custody.htm

That has it at 95 bucks a day in Alberta prisons.

Id like to know what reporting agency comes up with these numbers.
I tend to think they are quite exaggerated to have another excuse when taxes are hiked.....
$189 or even $137 a prisoner a day? Please......

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Good luck with that one. We live in a modern society where people have rights.

True. So get rid of the death penalty.

Its ridiculous to have 'rights'....be a 'civilized' society, but still give the government the right to execute its own citizens.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Azure

I wonder how much cheaper than would be if jails started taking away some of the un-needed privileges.

Care to be specific on what "priviledges" are unneeded?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Care to be specific on what "priviledges" are unneeded?

For the severe offenders? TV, video games, etc, etc.

I don't have a problem with physical activity....weights, sports....stuff like that.

But come on, if you killed an innocent person, you deserve nothing less than to be locked up in a cell, WITHOUT company or ANY form of entertainment for the rest of your life.

[Iggy's Forehead]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Care to be specific on what "priviledges" are unneeded?

After food, water, and necessary medicine...everything.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Azure

True. So get rid of the death penalty.

Its ridiculous to have 'rights'....be a 'civilized' society, but still give the government the right to execute its own citizens.

It's ridiculous to have rights? One strike and you're out even if people made mistakes (which people tend to make)? What if one was wrongfully convicted and executed? "Whoops, sorry about that. Awww, his family will get over it. Let's go for wings..."

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Azure

True. So get rid of the death penalty.

Its ridiculous to have 'rights'....be a 'civilized' society, but still give the government the right to execute its own citizens.

I agree.

[Iggy's Forehead]

Originally Posted by Azure

True. So get rid of the death penalty.

Its ridiculous to have 'rights'....be a 'civilized' society, but still give the government the right to execute its own citizens.

To play devils advocate, you consider Ted Bundy, Charles Manson etc our "own citizens"?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Reaper

It's ridiculous to have rights? One strike and you're out even if people made mistakes (which people tend to make)? What if one was wrongfully convicted and executed? "Whoops, sorry about that. Awww, his family will get over it. Let's go for wings..."

Yeah, it is ridiculous to have 'rights'....and be a civilized society if the government has the right to execute its own citizens.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iggy's Forehead

To play devils advocate, you consider Ted Bundy, Charles Manson etc our "own citizens"?

Yeah....scumbags, but citizens nonetheless.

Killing is too good for them.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Iggy's Forehead

To play devils advocate, you consider Ted Bundy, Charles Manson etc our "own citizens"?

I do. Because they are human, they have rights. I wouldn't mind if they were taken out back and shot but in a just and fair justice system it's not really feasible.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Iggy's Forehead

To play devils advocate, you consider Ted Bundy, Charles Manson etc our "own citizens"?

Further to that, do you consider James Lee Woodard a citizen?

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

I do. Because they are human, they have rights. I wouldn't mind if they were taken out back and shot but in a just and fair justice system it's not really feasible.

You dont think after they take another humans life (Or several in some cases) they forego those rights?