2008 NFL Off season thread.

[Sylvanfan]

If Jarred Allen does get traded...than I think the Chiefs could look at either Dorsey, Ellis or Gholsten with the number 5 pick. Take Allen away and that defensive line is down to one piece in Hali and a couple of scrubs. If they do trade Allen I wouldn't be adverse to shopping that #5 pick to move down and pick up another pick in the early 2nd or late first round if possible. I don't know if I'd want to invest a first round pick, especially one that high in a QB. I've read a few reports suggesting that Brohm will be the better player than Matt Ryan...than again some people claimed that of Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning at one point too and how dumb are they now?

In short if the Chiefs did trade Allen...they need help every where on that team. The only positions where they don't totally blow look to be Safety and Line Backer. Other than that...they will need serious help every where else.

[burn_baby_burn]

I'm praying for Jake Long. Chances are he won't be available with the 5th pick. Personally I'm not interested drafting a QB. The Chiefs acted like Croyle was a steal in the third round 2 years ago. In Croyle's defense he had no protection this year at all. Get him some help and lets see what he can do. Apparntly his head in the right place. Most days he is the only player at Arrowhead according to a story in the KC Star last month.

Outside of the O-line the Chiefs really need to improve and get younger at the corners.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

If Jarred Allen does get traded...than I think the Chiefs could look at either Dorsey, Ellis or Gholsten with the number 5 pick. Take Allen away and that defensive line is down to one piece in Hali and a couple of scrubs. If they do trade Allen I wouldn't be adverse to shopping that #5 pick to move down and pick up another pick in the early 2nd or late first round if possible. I don't know if I'd want to invest a first round pick, especially one that high in a QB. I've read a few reports suggesting that Brohm will be the better player than Matt Ryan...than again some people claimed that of Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning at one point too and how dumb are they now?

In short if the Chiefs did trade Allen...they need help every where on that team. The only positions where they don't totally blow look to be Safety and Line Backer. Other than that...they will need serious help every where else.

Their tight at the TE position and maybe at Half Back, if they can ever find exactly where LJ broke his foot. LB will be a concern shortly with Donnie Edwards getting pretty old and Napolean Harris being an underachiever.

[Clever_Iggy]

I think Matt Ryan is a good QB, but Im not sold on top 5 ability. This year reminds me of the year Alex Smith went to the 49ers in terms of QBs. Some teams really need a QB in order to start over, but bad timing has a draft with few solid guys at the top of the draft board.

If Allen gets traded, Gholsten would be a good start as a replacement. He's pretty versatile and can play in different schemes. CNNSI just released their new mock draft (version 6) and they are also projecting Brandon Albert going to the Chiefs, as ESPN reported yesterday.

Like the Raiders, the Chiefs have several options because of how many holes they have. The Raiders, outside of CB/S, QB, and LB are in need. Theyre lines could use a stud. But, having said that, the vast majority of our top end picks the past 6-7 years have been on CBs and there's lots of talk around McFadden being back on the Raiders' board... and Al Davis is senile/insane... so who knows.

If Chris Long's son is there at 4, it might be tough to pass up a guy with that motor (very similar to Allen), that name and that attitude.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Their tight at the TE position and maybe at Half Back, if they can ever find exactly where LJ broke his foot. LB will be a concern shortly with Donnie Edwards getting pretty old and Napolean Harris being an underachiever.

Tight end is fine, Half back I suppose is okay with Kolby Smith and Larry Johnson if he is healthy....although LJ may just quit because the rest of the team is so crappy. I don't think I'd be too concerned about spending one of my first three picks on a LB though this year. They do have guys to get them by for now and can maybe look for some diamonds in the rough later in the draft to supplement that position. I tend to think that Corner is a position that you can mask a bit with good D-Line pressure and hard hitting safety's. But yeah it's another position where they need to get younger and tougher.

[burn_baby_burn]

One bad thing about giving up Jared Allen is that the Chiefs will more than likely draft a D lineman to replace him (assuming Jake Long has already been selected by the 5th pick). I already envision a training camp holdout followed by a big fat signing bonus, followed by a busted first season. (Which is going to happen to whoever the Chiefs take with the 5th pick) The Chiefs got a steal when they drafted Jared Allen in the fourth round. He has turned out way better than anything the Chiefs could have ever imagined. If the picks that the Chiefs receive in return turn out to be great players, I'll look back on this and laugh. But you are rolling the dice. Odds are the majority of them don't perform as high as Jared Allen or are complete busts.

I had dreams of the Chiefs pulling something like this with Larry Johnson. But figured other teams would be scared of his contract and his poor performance last season.

[SteveToms]

Don't know if you guys know of this site, but I find it very good.

The guy running the site posted comparisons of players in the draft and in the NFL

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fea...mparisons.html

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I already envision a training camp holdout followed by a big fat signing bonus, followed by a busted first season. (Which is going to happen to whoever the Chiefs take with the 5th pick)

Then it could very easily be back-to-back busts. The Raiders have a horrible drafting record recently... and the jury is still out on Russell.

[burn_baby_burn]

I have calmed down a little now. If Jared Allen has no desire to sign a long term contract with the Chiefs. This is the best move to help the future of the team. Apparently Jared is talking with the Vikings and the Bucs about long term contracts. The Chiefs can either match, or get compensated with two first round draft picks. Hopefully this turns out as well for the Chiefs, as the Herchel Walker trade did for the Cowboys (also to the Vikings) 20 years ago. Peterson is still a jerk though. If he hadn't of alienated Jared Allen, not to mention plenty of other players, the Chiefs wouldn't be forced into this situation.

[Sylvanfan]

Hali is talking on Sirius 124 right now. Just said he hoped Jarred is with the team next year. Other than that talking about his season.

[Sainters7]

Didn't see this mentioned anywhere. The Chicago Tribune is reporting that a league source has said Brian Urlacher's agents have asked for a trade.

"One league source says Brian Urlacher's agents have asked the team if they could explore a trade. Another says Urlacher is threatening to retire because of neck and back problems, a move in which he wouldn't have to repay any portion of the $13 million signing bonus he received in 2003, when he received a nine-year, $56.65 million deal."
- Chicago Tribune

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Didn't see this mentioned anywhere. The Chicago Tribune is reporting that a league source has said Brian Urlacher's agents have asked for a trade.

"One league source says Brian Urlacher's agents have asked the team if they could explore a trade. Another says Urlacher is threatening to retire because of neck and back problems, a move in which he wouldn't have to repay any portion of the $13 million signing bonus he received in 2003, when he received a nine-year, $56.65 million deal."
- Chicago Tribune

I heard that somewhere recently as well. Can't remember if it was NFL Total Access or on the KC Sports talk that I was listening to this morning. I wonder what his beef is?

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I have calmed down a little now. If Jared Allen has no desire to sign a long term contract with the Chiefs. This is the best move to help the future of the team. Apparently Jared is talking with the Vikings and the Bucs about long term contracts. The Chiefs can either match, or get compensated with two first round draft picks. Hopefully this turns out as well for the Chiefs, as the Herchel Walker trade did for the Cowboys (also to the Vikings) 20 years ago. Peterson is still a jerk though. If he hadn't of alienated Jared Allen, not to mention plenty of other players, the Chiefs wouldn't be forced into this situation.

I don't think either team is signing him to an offer as a restricted free agent, I beleive the Cheifs will be trading his rights and then a new contract will be signed by the team.
I don't think either team has any desire to give up two 1st rounders.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I don't think either team is signing him to an offer as a restricted free agent, I beleive the Cheifs will be trading his rights and then a new contract will be signed by the team.
I don't think either team has any desire to give up two 1st rounders.

Yeah, I was disgusted to hear that on NFL Total Access yesterday. Sounds like the Vikings offered a 1st and a 3rd rounder. The KC media is reporting that it will be an offer sheet that the Chiefs won't match, which means 2 first rounders. I don't think anything is going to happen. According to the KC media, Jared wants a long term contract before July 1st. He is willing to stay, but doesn't want to have the Franchise Tag slapped on him year after year.

[Pagal4321]

I've head that the Vikings offered a 1st this year and a 2nd next year, but the Cheifs said no and instead wanted a 3rd this year.
Now that REALLY makes no sense AT all....but that's what I've heard.

But Allen is in Minnesota right now with his agent, and they are apparently pretty close to a deal. I mean Minnesota's defense is pretty good, all they need is a pass rushing DE....they will likely overpay for this guy. The only issue I have is if Allen ends up DUI'ing or something silly like that again, I'd like the Vikings to protect themselves from that somehow.

[burn_baby_burn]

He hasn't been drinking for a while. That is how he ended up so lean this past season. I think he learned his lesson. With the $200,000 he lost in salary for being suspended. He could hire an awful lot of taxi's with that money instead of drinking and driving.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

He hasn't been drinking for a while. That is how he ended up so lean this past season. I think he learned his lesson. With the $200,000 he lost in salary for being suspended. He could hire an awful lot of taxi's with that money instead of drinking and driving.

I'd be shocked if the Chiefs move Allen, dumb move, pass rushers are gold, more so when you can't score. Lots of rumblings out NO that they want to move up and get one of Dorsey or Ellis, a DT is a must out of this draft. Would love to see the Saints come out of the weekend with Rivers, Laws in the second and Shockey via trade.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

I'd be shocked if the Chiefs move Allen, dumb move, pass rushers are gold, more so when you can't score. Lots of rumblings out NO that they want to move up and get one of Dorsey or Ellis, a DT is a must out of this draft. Would love to see the Saints come out of the weekend with Rivers, Laws in the second and Shockey via trade.

Completely agree, I'm hoping for this as well. I wasn't big on him at first, but I've really warmed up to Rivers lately. Fujita/Vilma/Rivers(Morgan); suddenly we've got a Top 10 LB core again. I'm also an ND fan so I saw alot of Laws, the guy has an absolute non-stop motor. I'd love to see him as a Saint.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Completely agree, I'm hoping for this as well. I wasn't big on him at first, but I've really warmed up to Rivers lately. Fujita/Vilma/Rivers(Morgan); suddenly we've got a Top 10 LB core again. I'm also an ND fan so I saw alot of Laws, the guy has an absolute non-stop motor. I'd love to see him as a Saint.

I worry about trading up for a defensive tackle after after the Jonathan Sullivan disaster, and the Saints need to add talent at several defensive positions. Stay put, take the best LBer in Rivers, and let Laws or maybe Balmer (though he's likely a seahawk) fall to you in the second. Laws was very good on awful front and saw double teams every game due to the lack of talent around him.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Actually, I think they'd be dumb not to move Jared. This is a team in full rebuild mode. They went 4-12 with him last year, and some of those wins came when he was out suspended. Holding on to a great veteran player like that does not do the organization much good. They should move him to the highest bidder and there will be a great deal out there for them.

Word around these parts is he won't play for them again anyway.