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View Poll Results: Which party did you vote for?
Progressive Conservative Association of Alberta 67 29.52%
Alberta Liberal Party 69 30.40%
Alberta New Democratic Party 8 3.52%
Alberta Greens / Green Party of Alberta 18 7.93%
Wildrose Alliance Party of Alberta 38 16.74%
Alberta Social Credit Party 3 1.32%
Communist Party - Alberta 9 3.96%
The Alberta Party 0 0%
Separation Party of Alberta 9 3.96%
Independent 6 2.64%
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:46 PM   #341
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All the Mormans live on the west side. That's why there is such a huge difference. If you've never been to Lethbridge, there's a huge canyon right between the west and east sides of the town, connected by a few roads and one big ass train bridge. West side - Morman, conservative Christian vote; East side - more metropolitan, left leaning people. Downtown is on the East side.
LOL what the heck are you talking about?

The difference is moreso elderly/retired people who vote for Pastoor, who are concentrated on the south side of Lethbridge.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:46 PM   #342
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Huh?

Are you saying everyone who voted conservative in Lethbridge is an evangelical Christian?

Seriously....go read a book or something. 54% of the people who voted today voted conservative. And they all sure as hell aren't Mormons.
You have not only failed to answer my question, but you are twisting what I said into something much too simple. I am not one for personal attacks, but surely you can't be that stupid. How could what I have written possibly be construed as having put forth that "everyone who voted conservative in Lethbridge is an evangelical Christian"?

What I have written is that the vast majority of voters who did vote conservative in that riding are Mormans. Ninety-odd percent of Mormans vote conservative in any election, anywhere in the world. That is why there is such a difference between Lethbridge West and Lethbridge East.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:46 PM   #343
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Would you then please explain why there was such a difference in two adjacent ridings?
I have no idea.

But I know FOR SURE that it has nothing to do with the majority of the west side being Mormons.

I think you made that up on the spot.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:46 PM   #344
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Sweet crude oil is what we produce, and it sells for much more than $100 a barrel.
Are you freaking serious. we produce the most expensive crude on earth. Alberta growth IS the marginal barrel. There is some sweet but it is less and less of total production, and no investment and few jobs are dedicated to it.

Johnny, I'd just suggestion going to bed. Everything you are saying is just factually incorrect.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #345
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Sweet crude oil is what we produce, and it sells for much more than $100 a barrel.
Actually no, the portion of Oilsand we upgrade its sold as synthetic sweet light.. Its worth roughly the same as WTI.. The rest is heavy oil which sells at extreme discount..Your $20/barrel figure is grossly out of line, our economics right now are $55 to break even..

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Old 03-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #346
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So, how is good ol' First Lady doing? Last I saw she had 80 votes.
To answer my own question:

WAP Jane Morgan 8.8% 858

Eech.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #347
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I'm finding the Vote Share battle between the WAP and the NDP very interesting.
http://www.cbc.ca/albertavotes2008/ridings/
(as of 9:39 pm mst)

Provincially:
NDP - 8.8%
WAP - 6.77%

Calgary:
NDP - 4.47%
WAP - 9.43%

Edmonton:
NDP - 19.34%
WAP - 1.56%

Rural:
NDP - 6.54%
WAP - 10.05%

Smaller Cities:
NDP - 7.68%
WAP - 6.29%

Northern Alberta:
NDP - 11.65%
WAP - 6.43%

Central Alberta:
NDP - 5.92%
WAP - 6.18%

Southern Alberta:
NDP - 4.42%
WAP - 12.58%

Definite shift in support depending on whether you're in the north or the south. Wonder why that is?
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #348
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You completely missed my point. Look at the exit poll numbers - evangelical Christians are one voting block that get out and vote, and they vote overwhelmingly conservative. The majority of people who voted in that riding ARE Mormons.
Exit polling is illegal in Canada dude.

You seriously need to quit while you are behind.
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Lethbridge-East: 46% Lib, 39% PC
Lethbridge-West: 42% PC, 36% Lib

That is "such a difference"?

Um......yeah it is. A ten point difference for the Liberal party in adjacent ridings is an unbelievable stat. You won't find that difference anywhere else in the province, bar exceptional circumstances.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:49 PM   #350
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Sweet crude oil is what we produce, and it sells for much more than $100 a barrel.
I was under the impression from several sources that the majority of Alberta oil extracts are poor quality compared to WTI, and brings in quite a bit less.

Moreover, its conventional natural gas that provides the best return, and while that's trading at a decent place ($9), the new framework makes it tougher to make money.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:49 PM   #351
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You have not only failed to answer my question, but you are twisting what I said into something much too simple. I am not one for personal attacks, but surely you can't be that stupid. How could what I have written possibly be construed as having put forth that "everyone who voted conservative in Lethbridge is an evangelical Christian"?

What I have written is that the vast majority of voters who did vote conservative in that riding are Mormans. Ninety-odd percent of Mormans vote conservative in any election, anywhere in the world. That is why there is such a difference between Lethbridge West and Lethbridge East.
Well as Resolute pointed out above....there isn't such a significant difference.

I guess all those Mormons moved.
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That certainly changes the colour of the map a little.
Hinman behind by about 100 now.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:49 PM   #353
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Exit polling is illegal in Canada dude.

You seriously need to quit while you are behind.

I mentioned nothing about Canada in my post. There happen to be many countries in the world other than Canada. Most of them have Mormans. And all the Mormans everywhere vote conservative. It's a fact.
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Actually no, of the portion Oilsand we upgrade its sold as synthetic sweet light.. Its worth roughly the same as WTI.. The rest is heavy oil which sells at extreme discount..Your $20/barrel figure is grossly out of line, our economics right now are $55 to break even..
Not in April

Anyway the cost to produce light synthetic is aobut 50 to 60 bucks right now

What Johnny doesn't know is that the process and costs involved to go from tar sands to synthetic is massive relative to the process and costs of developing a TI barrel
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All the Mormans live on the west side. That's why there is such a huge difference. If you've never been to Lethbridge, there's a huge canyon right between the west and east sides of the town, connected by a few roads and one big ass train bridge. West side - Morman, conservative Christian vote; East side - more metropolitan, left leaning people. Downtown is on the East side.
and its a Coulee not a canyon.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/...n.html?ref=rss

He attempted to nationalize our oil industry and started the worst oil company in Canada, Petro Canada.. They are still run like a government organization despite having cut their ties a few years ago.. Western alienation may have been spawned during confederation. But it was kicked into overdrive by Trudeau.
You can tell me all this till your fingers fall off typing it all. It still doesn't qualify him as the "worst Canadian of all time".

Trudeau brought in a number of significant changes to Canada during his tenure. Most of them I think made Canada a stronger, richer country. His major mistake was his handling of the energy crisis (which I've already stated).
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I was under the impression from several sources that the majority of Alberta oil extracts are poor quality compared to WTI, and brings in quite a bit less.

Moreover, its conventional natural gas that provides the best return, and while that's trading at a decent place ($9), the new framework makes it tougher to make money.
Yeah, Reaper posted a link a while back saying that Alberta doesn't get the complete market value for oil because our oil is different.

And now I can't find it.

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Old 03-03-2008, 09:52 PM   #358
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I mentioned nothing about Canada in my post. There happen to be many countries in the world other than Canada. Most of them have Mormans. And all the Mormans everywhere vote conservative. It's a fact.
Damn Mormons. Always causing a majority government by always voting conservative!

I curse you, Joseph Smith! You and your Neo-Con following!
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Actually no, the portion of Oilsand we upgrade its sold as synthetic sweet light.. Its worth roughly the same as WTI.. The rest is heavy oil which sells at extreme discount..Your $20/barrel figure is grossly out of line, our economics right now are $55 to break even..
Thank you.

Although not exactly what I was looking for....its pretty close.
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Yeah, Reaper posted a link a while back saying that Alberta doesn't get the complete market value for oil because our oil is different.

And how I can't find it.
That's just a small portion of it. There is insufficient pipeline capacity to move it to marketable hubs downstream of AB.
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