Project for a New American Century

[peter12]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Some of you guys should watch "Terror Storm" on the web.. I'm not saying its true or I completely believe it.. But it definately brings up some compelling points.. Lanny is possibly on to something, the coincidences are pretty amazing..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...48453686176230

Google Video is not a source!

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by peter12

Google Video is not a source!

Thanks for coming out..

[SeeGeeWhy]

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

A fun watch

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Even if the report of the 9/11 commision is one big lie, it doesn't make what you and Lanny are saying any less impossible.

If it was an act of islamic terrorism...why was the document compromised? What was there to gain from leaving out 'sensitive' information?

It's clear as day that the US will do anything to protect their corporate interests.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Thanks for coming out..

Oh come on... I could pull anything out of my old rear end off of youtube. Don't believe in AIDS? I'm sure I can find something on youtube...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FoxCtYBXNpc

There ya go... Evil pharmaceutical companies.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Complete and utter BS.

The information would've had to come from normal intelligence gathering. Where are the agents who initially obtained it? With all the whistleblowing that has gone on in that administration in the last 5 years do you really think they'd be quiet?

NORAD...what does NORAD have to do with it?

Are you kidding me? Dis, your lack of knowledge on the subject is quite stunning.

The original plan was hand delivered to the State Department in 1997 (IIRC) after the Phillipine police busted Ramzi Yousef in Manilla. He was the guy who was behind the '93 bombing of WTC. He turned over the whole plan, with each and every detail as to how it would take place. The information was confirmed by British, French and Germans. Days before 9/11 the Germans and French delivered detailed reports of the exact theat in question. It was all very well known to the Administration, but they ignored it. Good lord, it was in a Presidental Security Brief a month earlier that the htreat existed. They had knowledge of the attack and ignored it.

Now what would NORAD have to do with this? NORAD provides all responses to issues with aircraft in domestic airspace. They would be responsible for scrambling fighters to protect cities and escort planes reporting issues, or not following flight plans (in 2000, NORAD scrambled fighters over 100 times to escort planes in distress). The minute they are notified of an issue with a plane (transponder not functioning, flight plan not being followed, communication links lost, etc.) NORAD would be notified and action taken. Not a single fighter was scrambled until after the final plane was over Shanksville. Pretty weak when Washington was a target, and Andrews AFB is essentially in Washinton. The stand-down was the key point in not providing any response that could have prevented any of the attacks from taking place.

I know, I know, that's just way too much to believe.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by peter12

Oh come on... I could pull anything out of my old rear end off of youtube. Don't believe in AIDS? I'm sure I can find something on youtube...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FoxCtYBXNpc

There ya go... Evil pharmaceutical companies.

Thats great.. Why dont you watch it before you hack it down.. Some people deserve to live in ignorance i guess.. That video supports its point with some fairly compelling evidence..

EDIT: I just told people to check it out.. I'm not some conspiracy theorist I just found some of the points the make fairly plausible and rather interesting..

[photon]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

How do people explain the 100's of US officials and educated, accomplished professionals that doubt the common beliefs associated with 9/11?

Appeal to authority. Just because someone expresses doubts about something doesn't mean those doubts are or aren't well founded, it doesn't say anything about how deep those doubts go, or anything.

Do we really really want to do this again? There are other forums out there where people can go at it with people who live and breathe it (on both sides), if you really want to test your position maybe try those?

Not saying that as a moderator, just saying that as a person.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

If it was an act of islamic terrorism...why was the document compromised? What was there to gain from leaving out 'sensitive' information?

It's clear as day that the US will do anything to protect their corporate interests.

Maybe the Bush administration (FBI, CIA) failed to stop the attacks and the commission wanted to cover it up. Now there's a plausible conspiracy theory!

How did invading Iraq protect corporate interests?

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Maybe the Bush administration (FBI, CIA) failed to stop the attacks and the commission wanted to cover it up. Now there's a plausible conspiracy theory!

How did invading Iraq protect corporate interests?

So you believe in conspiracy theories, just not this one, lol. Alright. And if you don't understand how the war in Iraq has benefited corporate America...Well...I'm not sure you've done any research on history whatsoever.

Has anyone watched that John Perkins speech? Or better yet read his book? I'm not being argumentative just want to gather some more opinions. I recently finished it and it's what lead me to question a lot of what we're talking about in this thread.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Are you kidding me? Dis, your lack of knowledge on the subject is quite stunning.

The original plan was hand delivered to the State Department in 1997 (IIRC) after the Phillipine police busted Ramzi Yousef in Manilla. He was the guy who was behind the '93 bombing of WTC. He turned over the whole plan, with each and every detail as to how it would take place. The information was confirmed by British, French and Germans. Days before 9/11 the Germans and French delivered detailed reports of the exact theat in question. It was all very well known to the Administration, but they ignored it. Good lord, it was in a Presidental Security Brief a month earlier that the htreat existed. They had knowledge of the attack and ignored it.

Now what would NORAD have to do with this? NORAD provides all responses to issues with aircraft in domestic airspace. They would be responsible for scrambling fighters to protect cities and escort planes reporting issues, or not following flight plans (in 2000, NORAD scrambled fighters over 100 times to escort planes in distress). The minute they are notified of an issue with a plane (transponder not functioning, flight plan not being followed, communication links lost, etc.) NORAD would be notified and action taken. Not a single fighter was scrambled until after the final plane was over Shanksville. Pretty weak when Washington was a target, and Andrews AFB is essentially in Washinton. The stand-down was the key point in not providing any response that could have prevented any of the attacks from taking place.

I know, I know, that's just way too much to believe.

Yes, it is.

It's much easier to believe the truth.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yes, it is.

It's much easier to believe the truth.

So we've convinced you!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

So you believe in conspiracy theories, just not this one, lol. Alright. And if you don't understand how the war in Iraq has benefited corporate America...Well...I'm not sure you've done any research on history whatsoever.

Has anyone watched that John Perkins speech? Or better yet read his book? I'm not being argumentative just want to gather some more opinions. I recently finished it and it's what lead me to question a lot of what we're talking about in this thread.

You didn't answer the question....and to 'protect' corporate interests infers that they were in peril in the first place...so I will need that info too
please.

[SeeGeeWhy]

We'll see what happens in 100 years or so.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

We'll see what happens in 100 years or so.

I'm pretty sure we won't!

[photon]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

We'll see what happens in 100 years or so.

In 100 years they'll be 3D-ultra-HD versions of the videos with 7.1 surround scary music. But that's about the only difference.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yes, it is.

It's much easier to believe the truth.

Well this CNN article pretty much backs up what Lanny says that the State department had this knowledge. The head of Philippine intelligence calls it a lapse. I'd say it's at least that, or incompetence or treason. Take your pick.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/as...ror.blueprint/

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

If it was an act of islamic terrorism...why was the document compromised? What was there to gain from leaving out 'sensitive' information?

It's clear as day that the US will do anything to protect their corporate interests.

I'm still waiting for those links of civil engineers, and military generals who said the 9/11 commission report was fabricated and completely untrue.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

Do we really really want to do this again? There are other forums out there where people can go at it with people who live and breathe it (on both sides), if you really want to test your position maybe try those?

JREF comes to mind.

Even Killtown posted there for a while.

Until he found out that he can't deal with facts, so he left.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Has anyone watched that John Perkins speech? Or better yet read his book? I'm not being argumentative just want to gather some more opinions. I recently finished it and it's what lead me to question a lot of what we're talking about in this thread.

I assume you've read his book then, right?

Me too....complete junk.

Perkins had a very bad moment last Tuesday during the Q&A session when Professor Paul Sigmund, a member of the Politics department and co-founder of the Latin American Studies program at Princeton, accused Perkins of writing, “a false and fictionalized account” passing as the truth. A few audible gasps escaped from the audience. I met with Professor Sigmund the next day, and he told me that “US Foreign policy is more complex than [what Perkins portrays] and differs from nation to nation, administration to administration, and even within administrations,” pointing me to other reviews of Confessions and legitimate books on the same topics. Despite the claims made by Perkins -- that the US has pursued the same insidious policy regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans were in power -- the real world is full of arbitrary contradictions and complexities that don’t make for simple, paranoid bedtime story.

Interesting read.

http://www.nassauweekly.com/view_article.php?id=497