Single Joint=20 Cigarettes And Huge Lung Cancer Risk: Researchers

[Dion]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What do you think "promotion" means? Molson promotes beer. Player's promotes cigarettes. Do you think the government is going to promote weed like they do their wares?

I guess my use of the word promotion was incorrect.

Saying it is a convenient excuse is a convenient excuse to avoid the subject.

No. It's a valid excuse. Guess we'll agree to disagree on that point.

People are going to smoke weed. Period. You aren't going to stop it and really, nobody even cares, so it shouldn't be illegal.

Of course people are going to smoke weed and eliminating it will be like trying to eliminate cigarettes from society.

But while we hang on to these laws that pretty much everyone just ignores, all that money pours into the hands of organized crime.

You appear to be fine with that. Some of us aren't.

I'm not fine with money pouring into the hands of drug lords - wrong assumption.

I don't always agree with the laws that are set out, but do i try to follow them wether i agree with them or not. Yet somehow i'm made out to be a bad guy because i have no sympathy for someone who is charged with pot. Personaly the law for possesion for personal use is a joke, but at the same time i know that i could be charged if i got caught buying that product.

[sadora]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't think so. Shoppers Drug Mart or the "weed version" of the liquor store will be responsible for what they sell and won't be buying product off some guy with a pit-bull and moldy grow-op house in Douglasdale.

They'd industrialize!

From a consumer perspective I would like this move for cleaner, better bud.

The fact is that the government is fighting a loosing battle here. Why keep spending money in something they're never going to stop so why not start making money from it? Yes, there are health issues here, just as with alcohol and cigarettes, but these things are still legal. As with alcohol and cigarettes it all comes down to a matter of choice, laws aside, people will still find ways to get high.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't think so. Shoppers Drug Mart or the "weed version" of the liquor store will be responsible for what they sell and won't be buying product off some guy with a pit-bull and moldy grow-op house in Douglasdale.

They'd industrialize!

The guy with the pitbull is probably on the low rung of the ladder. At the high end is a guy in a suit and tie. Even the Hell's Angels have lawyers and businessmen in their circle.

Some of Canada's wealthiest families were gangsters who produced and sold alcohol during prohibition, and then went legit when it became legal. The people who control the industry now will find a way to cash in on the legalization... there is no way they let that chunk of their revenue go.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The guy with the pitbull is probably on the low rung of the ladder. At the high end is a guy in a suit and tie. Even the Hell's Angels have lawyers and businessmen in their circle.

Some of Canada's wealthiest families were gangsters who produced and sold alcohol during prohibition, and then went legit when it became legal. The people who control the industry now will find a way to cash in on the legalization... there is no way they let that chunk of their revenue go.

Lets say this is 100% true (which I don't believe it would be)

You still would lose the violence and crime associated with the current sales. Bad people would still make the money, but atleast they'd do it in legit ways and without killing people.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Some of Canada's wealthiest families were gangsters who produced and sold alcohol during prohibition, and then went legit when it became legal. The people who control the industry now will find a way to cash in on the legalization... there is no way they let that chunk of their revenue go.

I guess. I think even JFK got elected by the Bootlegger Party.

To tell you the truth, I don't really care. We can't keep a business illegal on the grounds that we may not like who might legally get rich from it.

If that's how we worked the oil business would never have got off the ground.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't think so. Shoppers Drug Mart or the "weed version" of the liquor store will be responsible for what they sell and won't be buying product off some guy with a pit-bull and moldy grow-op house in Douglasdale.

They'd industrialize!

I would think the cigarette companies would industrialise pot like they have with cigarettes. And the govt would regulate the quality and any additives that are added.

[driveway]

You're all wrong.

The thing about legalizing pot - and what would take the money out of the hands of both druglords and big-business - is that you can grow the stuff yourself. It doesn't need to be cured or processed like tobacco, and once you've got a plant, it's essentially free.

As soon as pot is legal, I'm planting in my back yard, or maybe front yard, just to gloat - then, when I have a house of my own, down in the basement I'll have a nice little rotating crop of four plants so I'm never dry and I never have to buy the stuff and all I have to pay for is the hydro to power one light, and occasional hydroponic pellets and there will be millions of other people who do exactly what I do and the plant won't be the cash crop that everyone seems to think it is - cause who's gonna buy from the store and pay tax when you have five friends you can get it from for free or nearly free?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by driveway

there will be millions of other people who do exactly what I do and the plant won't be the cash crop that everyone seems to think it is - cause who's gonna buy from the store and pay tax when you have five friends you can get it from for free or nearly free?

Maybe, but we all have the ability to grow our own vegetables, brew our own beer and make gin in the bathtub yet the grocery chains and distilleries still hum along.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe, but we all have the ability to grow our own vegetables, brew our own beer and make gin in the bathtub yet the grocery chains and distilleries still hum along.

Good point.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe, but we all have the ability to grow our own vegetables, brew our own beer and make gin in the bathtub yet the grocery chains and distilleries still hum along.

There is a BIG difference between brewing your own beer, operating your own still versus putting a plant in soil, wait, clip, dry, smoke...

[driveway]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe, but we all have the ability to grow our own vegetables, brew our own beer and make gin in the bathtub yet the grocery chains and distilleries still hum along.

True, but we are talking about dope-smoking hippies here. If they aren't gonna grow plants, who is?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by driveway

True, but we are talking about dope-smoking hippies here. If they aren't gonna grow plants, who is?

Big corporations looking to make a profit?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Flames89

There is a BIG difference between brewing your own beer, operating your own still versus putting a plant in soil, wait, clip, dry, smoke...

Well... I don't know if there is a BIG difference. They're two different things, so you make them in different ways. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there are more private booze operations in Calgary than private weed operations. My grandparents make wine... it's not that hard to do.

[troutman]

Peter Tosh:

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Some call it tampee
Some call it the weed
Some call it Marijuana
Some of them call it Ganja

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Singer smoke it
And players of instruments too
Legalize it, yeah, yeah
That's the best thing you can do
Doctors smoke it
Nurses smoke it
Judges smoke it
Even the lawyers too

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

It's good for the flu
It's good for asthma
Good for tuberculosis
Even umara composis

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Bird eat it
And they leave it
Fowls eat it
Goats love to play with it

[Thor]

Its often the case you just can't argue against anti-drug proponents. I in my late teens was very anti-drug and after my own research and life experience I see how much of a sham the whole thing is.

Weed's addictive, LSD makes you crazy, Mushrooms make your brain bleed.

Whatever you need to tell yourself makes it ok to be anti-drug

All I ever ask from anyone is to independantly think for themselves and research both sides of an issue before taking a stance. Sadly very few do this, and thats why we have so many religious people and so many anti drug proponents.

They've been tought these things from day 1, they havent broken outside their own world of thinking, and they have strong judgements based on almost no information besides what they've been told or they believe to be true without again no real personal research into any of the topics they so argue against.

Its sad, if people truly thought for themselves and debated things that they themselves learned and 'earned' as their own opinion we'd all be better off.

Probably why DARE is so succefull, pretty slogans; no need for actual truth.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Thor

Its often the case you just can't argue against anti-drug proponents. I in my late teens was very anti-drug and after my own research and life experience I see how much of a sham the whole thing is.

Weed's addictive, LSD makes you crazy, Mushrooms make your brain bleed.

Whatever you need to tell yourself makes it ok to be anti-drug

All I ever ask from anyone is to independantly think for themselves and research both sides of an issue before taking a stance. Sadly very few do this, and thats why we have so many religious people and so many anti drug proponents.

They've been tought these things from day 1, they havent broken outside their own world of thinking, and they have strong judgements based on almost no information besides what they've been told or they believe to be true without again no real personal research into any of the topics they so argue against.

Its sad, if people truly thought for themselves and debated things that they themselves learned and 'earned' as their own opinion we'd all be better off.

Probably why DARE is so succefull, pretty slogans; no need for actual truth.

Pot smoker!

[HOOT]

Who cares? Do you think people smoke pot because they thought it was healthy?

I would like to know a few things, what kind of weed? Where was it grown? Indoor or Outdoor?

Well get back to me I gotta go roll a joint

[flip]

Originally Posted by Flames89

There is a BIG difference between brewing your own beer, operating your own still versus putting a plant in soil, wait, clip, dry, smoke...

growing weed is not that easy, you have to regulate temp and humidity and some weed strains can be very picky.

that being said it is still less labour intensive than making your own wine or having an outdoor garden.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Thor

All I ever ask from anyone is to independantly think for themselves and research both sides of an issue before taking a stance. Sadly very few do this, and thats why we have so many religious people and so many anti drug proponents.

They've been tought these things from day 1, they havent broken outside their own world of thinking, and they have strong judgements based on almost no information besides what they've been told or they believe to be true without again no real personal research into any of the topics they so argue against.

People do think independantly but because they're not pro drug or an athiest like yourself they are misinformed in your eyes. At least that's the impression i get from your posts.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Smoking marijuana linked to gum disease: study


There doesn't seem to be any shortage of reasons cited as to why marijuana is bad for health. Now from the world of dentistry comes another: regular pot-smoking seems to bump up the risk of developing gum disease — and earlier in life than expected.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/...umdisease.html