Take this quiz and see who you should vote for president( if you were American)

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I haven't really heard other people make the same comments as me. I don't have any American friends, and my Canadian friends are certainly no fans of Bush. It's just the way I view him, I think he's a genuine person and I admire him for it. I certainly haven't taken that opinion of him to be popular. I like the guy, most don't.

Not to derail this thread, but... GWB is as phony as a three dollar bill. I challenge you to name one "genuine" thing about him. The whole "don't mess with Texas" act? His family are New England aristocrats, from Connecticut. He himself was raised in New England, and still has a summer home in Maine. When he first ran for office in Texas, he lost because his constituents didn't want to vote for some carpetbagger from New England--no kidding. The whole "rancher" thing? His "ranch" in Crawford is basically a set, designed for photo-ops to make him seem like he fits into a state whose culture he has adopted in his adult life. Compassionate conservative? Nope. Not a "nation-builder?" Yikes. "Clean Air Act"? "No Child Left Behind"? It gets worse and worse.

So here's a list of things he's NOT, that at one time or another he has pretended to be: A Texan. An everyday joe. A working stiff. A rancher. A businessman. A fiscal conservative. A reformer. Bipartisan.

Can you give me one thing that he IS? Because it sounds like you just have this "feeling" about him that he's genuine. Trust me--most politicians re-invent themselves at one time or another. But Bush is basically a chameleon.

(/rant. We now return to your regularly scheduled thread.)

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

It really is amazing how that fallacy of Republicans and the Economy still exists after the silly amount of spending by Reagan and GWB.

Its actually amazing that the US still includes pork in their budget...and refuses to properly balance the budget.

Its like 8 trillion in debt isn't a big deal, really.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I haven't really heard other people make the same comments as me. I don't have any American friends, and my Canadian friends are certainly no fans of Bush. It's just the way I view him, I think he's a genuine person and I admire him for it. I certainly haven't taken that opinion of him to be popular. I like the guy, most don't.

I hate George Bush, I think he is the worst thing to happen to our world in a LONG time and we will be paying for a long time for his tenure. I think he is an idiot and a buffoon.

HOWEVER, I think he is an agreeable guy and believe he is a good guy. Why? Because a buddy of mine is married to a former governer's daughter and she has met George a bunch of times and says he is a good guy. I respect her opinion, so will believe it.

... doesn't mean I have to like him in his job though ...

And in regards to the thread? Cowperson and I see eye-to-eye:

72% Hillary Clinton (D)
71% Barack Obama (D)
69% Chris Dodd (D)
68% John Edwards (D)
67% Bill Richardson (D)
65% Joe Biden (D)
64% Rudy Giuliani (R)
59% Dennis Kucinich (D)
58% Mike Gravel (D)
56% John McCain (R)
49% Mitt Romney (R)
48% Mike Huckabee (R)
38% Fred Thompson (R)
30% Tom Tancredo (R)
28% Ron Paul (R)

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I hate George Bush, I think he is the worst thing to happen to our world in a LONG time and we will be paying for a long time for his tenure. I think he is an idiot and a buffoon.

HOWEVER, I think he is an agreeable guy and believe he is a good guy. Why? Because a buddy of mine is married to a former governer's daughter and she has met George a bunch of times and says he is a good guy. I respect her opinion, so will believe it.

... doesn't mean I have to like him in his job though ...

Most politicians are very likable people when you meet them. I've met several (American and Canadian) and they're all your best buddy while you're talking to them. It's part of the job.

[Vulcan]

This is going to be a very interesting election. There is no way the Republicans should win considering the mess they've made but when it comes down to casting that ballot, how many Americans are going to vote for a woman or a black. I hope they do but it is worrisome.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This is going to be a very interesting election. There is no way the Republicans should win considering the mess they've made but when it comes down to casting that ballot, how many Americans are going to vote for a woman or a black. I hope they do but it is worrisome.

I hope they don't.

The last thing the US needs in office is Hillary.

If Kerry was a bad candidate....Hillary is VERY bad.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

I hope they don't.

The last thing the US needs in office is Hillary.

If Kerry was a bad candidate....Hillary is VERY bad.

That's a nice blanket statement. I've often wondered why the hatred for Hillary or Bill for that matter. Have you got something to back it up or is it only emotional.

[Dan02]

72%
Hillary Clinton
70%
Chris Dodd
68%
Barack Obama
67%
John Edwards
63%
Joe Biden
58%
Dennis Kucinich
57%
Mike Gravel
57%
Bill Richardson
54%
Rudy Giuliani
45%
John McCain
45%
Mitt Romney
36%
Tom Tancredo
35%
Mike Huckabee
35%
Fred Thompson
24%
Ron Paul

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

That's a nice blanket statement. I've often wondered why the hatred for Hillary or Bill for that matter. Have you got something to back it up or is it only emotional.

I'd rather not say it here.

Probably get banned.

I never said I had hatred for Bill, though I think he should shutup already. Hillary is an overbearing politician that will do anything to get into power.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'd rather not say it here.

Probably get banned.

I never said I had hatred for Bill, though I think he should shutup already. Hillary is an overbearing politician that will do anything to get into power.

The same stands for any successful politician. It's a very dirty game and some just hide it better than others.
Me, I'd rather see honest greed for power than than some phony baloney, aw-shucks song and dance.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

[/b]The same stands for any successful politician. It's a very dirty game and some just hide it better than others.
Me, I'd rather see honest greed for power than than some phony baloney, aw-shucks song and dance.

Well, politician or not....simply having Hillary in office isn't going to suddenly put the US back on the right track.

Change has to implemented by someone who is willing to 'change' status quo.

Hillary is all about status quo....probably more so than someone like McCain or Huckabee.

[Flame Of Liberty]

79% John McCain (R)
76% Ron Paul (R)
76% Mitt Romney (R)
75% Mike Huckabee (R)
71% Fred Thompson (R)
65% Tom Tancredo (R)
59% Rudy Giuliani (R)
44% Bill Richardson (D)
41% Chris Dodd (D)
35% Barack Obama (D)
34% Hillary Clinton (D)
33% John Edwards (D)
32% Joe Biden (D)
32% Mike Gravel (D)
28% Dennis Kucinich (D)

I would think Ron Paul percentage would be higher, but generaly this seems OK fo me.

[Azure]

We should have election thread stickied....doesn't make sense to start a new thread for every single different article.

But I wanted to mention that McCain's son is now serving in Iraq...

http://www.iowacaucus.com/apps/pbcs....011/IOWACAUCUS

[Tower]

92% Barack Obama (D)
90% Chris Dodd (D)
87% John Edwards (D)
86% Hillary Clinton (D)
84% Bill Richardson (D)
81% Joe Biden (D)
78% Dennis Kucinich (D)
76% Mike Gravel (D)
48% Rudy Giuliani (R)
41% John McCain (R)
33% Mike Huckabee (R)
31% Mitt Romney (R)
24% Tom Tancredo (R)
23% Ron Paul (R)
20% Fred Thompson (R)

2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz

[Temporary_User]

I have no research for this, and am only going off an article that I read a while back (sorry no link), but to summarize what this article stated was that the world was not ready for a female president.
Of course (most of) the western world would support a female, but in many countries women are still second rate citizens. Would they take a female in power seriously?
and....discuss