01-30-2008, 04:48 PM
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#101
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
Born in Springfield in 1930 from French Canadien parents and spoke French until he was 7. Represented Alaska as a senator and tried to end the draft during the Viet Nam war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel
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Well apparently I want him to be president.
Yay me. I am guessing he is way too moderate, tolerant, and progressive to be electable. Which is probably why I have never heard of him, and why his politics line up with my own.
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01-30-2008, 04:52 PM
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#102
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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Of the remaining candidates...
82% Barack Obama
76% Hillary Clinton
34% Ron Paul
34% John McCain
26% Mitt Romney
25% Mike Huckabee
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01-30-2008, 05:39 PM
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#103
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashpoint
Well apparently I want him to be president.
Yay me. I am guessing he is way too moderate, tolerant, and progressive to be electable. Which is probably why I have never heard of him, and why his politics line up with my own.
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Hate to burst your bubble, Flash... but Gravel is actually way too old, grumpy, extremist and crazy to be elected.  Also, did I mention he's crazy?
I'm sort of kidding--he's not crazy, but he is kind of a Democratic Ron Paul. He supports abolishing the IRS, and the institution of a national sales tax instead. To replace the lost revenue, he supports a punitive tax on petroleum--just two examples of his policies.
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01-30-2008, 05:50 PM
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#104
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: 30 minutes from the Red Mile
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77% John McCain (R)
70% Rudy Giuliani (R)
69% Mitt Romney (R)
61% Mike Huckabee (R)
60% Bill Richardson (D)
60% Barack Obama (D)
60% Fred Thompson (R)
59% Hillary Clinton (D)
57% Chris Dodd (D)
56% Tom Tancredo (R)
56% John Edwards (D)
51% Ron Paul (R)
49% Joe Biden (D)
34% Dennis Kucinich (D)
32% Mike Gravel (D)
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
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01-30-2008, 07:15 PM
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#105
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5
What exactly about him do you admire? I don't mean to be a dick, but I really don't see one quality about the man that one can look up to, and since even the most die-hard republicans amongst my friends have turned on the guy, I'm curious why you still think so.
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It's less his policies and performance as President, than who I think he is as a person. Granted I've never met him and can't back anything I say with any substance, I just think he's a good person. He's a Ralph Klein type of politician to me, someone who's very real. He's more of an everyday type of guy, than a career politician.
Maybe those are bull reasons to like the guy, but I don't really care. I like the man.
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01-30-2008, 07:17 PM
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#106
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oilers_fan
It's less his policies and performance as President, than who I think he is as a person. Granted I've never met him and can't back anything I say with any substance, I just think he's a good person. He's a Ralph Klein type of politician to me, someone who's very real. He's more of an everyday type of guy, than a career politician.
Maybe those are bull reasons to like the guy, but I don't really care. I like the man.
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The everyday type of guy with multiple DUIs and former cocaine problems?
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01-30-2008, 07:24 PM
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#107
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
The everyday type of guy with multiple DUIs and former cocaine problems?
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It always cracks me up when people say "George Bush is the kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with."
Newsflash: GWB is a recovering alcoholic. He won't be having a beer with you any time soon--or setting foot in your neighbourhood bar for that matter.
At the same time, it's hard for me to understand why being a recovering alcoholic who's been sober for years is a bad thing. It's almost the only achievement of his that I respect.
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01-30-2008, 07:26 PM
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#108
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
It always cracks me up when people say "George Bush is the kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with."
Newsflash: GWB is a recovering alcoholic. He won't be having a beer with you any time soon--or setting foot in your neighbourhood bar for that matter.
At the same time, it's hard for me to understand why being a recovering alcoholic who's been sober for years is a bad thing. It's almost the only achievement of his that I respect.
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I agree with both your points. It just cracks me up when people say 'He seems like an everyday kind of guy that you could just hang out.'
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01-30-2008, 07:32 PM
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#109
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
I agree with both your points. It just cracks me up when people say 'He seems like an everyday kind of guy that you could just hang out.'
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Me too. He's the "everyday" kind of guy who was born a millionaire and went to Yale and owned a baseball team. A real working stiff.
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01-30-2008, 08:32 PM
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#110
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Lifetime Suspension
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I'm pretty liberal on social issues but conservative on fiscal issues. The thing is that most of the social issues I don't really care about too much whereas the fiscal issues I care a lot about. If I was in the States I would have trouble deciding which side to vote on as I think a change in parties is needed but the fiscal side rates higher on my priorities.
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01-30-2008, 09:10 PM
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#111
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Your Results:
75% Dennis Kucinich
73% Mike Gravel
68% Hillary Clinton
68% John Edwards
64% Chris Dodd
64% Barack Obama
60% Bill Richardson
58% Joe Biden
37% Rudy Giuliani
31% Ron Paul
30% Mitt Romney
30% Tom Tancredo
26% John McCain
20% Mike Huckabee
20% Fred Thompson
No real surprises
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01-30-2008, 09:11 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkey
I'm pretty liberal on social issues but conservative on fiscal issues. The thing is that most of the social issues I don't really care about too much whereas the fiscal issues I care a lot about. If I was in the States I would have trouble deciding which side to vote on as I think a change in parties is needed but the fiscal side rates higher on my priorities.
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Yeah...the previous administration of that tax-and-spend Democrat Bill Clinton was Trudeau-esque in his excesses, throwing money around like a drunken sailor, while George W. Bush the fiscally conservative Republican has been a model of small government efficiency.
As strange as it seems, the Democrats actually have a better recent history of financial moderation. For the better part of 2000-2006 the House, Senate, and White House were all controlled by Republicans, yet they were increasing the deficit to record levels year after year. Other than Ron Paul, who will never win the nomintation let alone the general election, I don't really think any of the candidates are running on a platform of fiscal responsability.
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01-30-2008, 09:16 PM
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#113
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Wow..I am a democrat through and through I guess.
93%
Barack Obama
92%
Chris Dodd
91%
John Edwards
91%
Hillary Clinton
85%
Bill Richardson
79%
Joe Biden
66%
Mike Gravel
64%
Dennis Kucinich
52%
Rudy Giuliani
45%
John McCain
38%
Tom Tancredo
36%
Mike Huckabee
35%
Mitt Romney
20%
Fred Thompson
10%
Ron Paul
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01-30-2008, 09:17 PM
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#114
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
Hate to burst your bubble, Flash... but Gravel is actually way too old, grumpy, extremist and crazy to be elected.  Also, did I mention he's crazy?
I'm sort of kidding--he's not crazy, but he is kind of a Democratic Ron Paul. He supports abolishing the IRS, and the institution of a national sales tax instead. To replace the lost revenue, he supports a punitive tax on petroleum--just two examples of his policies.
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Old, I grant you that but he can't be as crazy as the guy who's won the last two elections.
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01-30-2008, 09:28 PM
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#115
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
Old, I grant you that but he can't be as crazy as the guy who's won the last two elections.
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There's different kinds of crazy.
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01-30-2008, 09:32 PM
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#116
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Richmond, BC
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85%
Mike Gravel
85%
Dennis Kucinich
73%
Chris Dodd
69%
Bill Richardson
66%
Barack Obama
64%
Hillary Clinton
64%
Joe Biden
63%
John Edwards
46%
Ron Paul
41%
Rudy Giuliani
33%
John McCain
28%
Mike Huckabee
28%
Mitt Romney
17%
Fred Thompson
12%
Tom Tancredo
Pretty predictable I guess. The most left candidates, then other democrats, then Ron Paul the libertarian, then other republicans, then the scum slugs like Huckabee and Romney.
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01-30-2008, 09:34 PM
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#117
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Powerplay Quarterback
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69%
Barack Obama
66%
John Edwards
65%
Hillary Clinton
64%
Bill Richardson
63%
Mike Gravel
63%
Dennis Kucinich
60%
Chris Dodd
60%
Joe Biden
46%
Rudy Giuliani
44%
John McCain
38%
Mitt Romney
36%
Mike Huckabee
33%
Ron Paul
32%
Tom Tancredo
27%
Fred Thompson
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01-30-2008, 10:44 PM
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#118
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Retired
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarchHare
Yeah...the previous administration of that tax-and-spend Democrat Bill Clinton was Trudeau-esque in his excesses, throwing money around like a drunken sailor, while George W. Bush the fiscally conservative Republican has been a model of small government efficiency.
As strange as it seems, the Democrats actually have a better recent history of financial moderation. For the better part of 2000-2006 the House, Senate, and White House were all controlled by Republicans, yet they were increasing the deficit to record levels year after year. Other than Ron Paul, who will never win the nomintation let alone the general election, I don't really think any of the candidates are running on a platform of fiscal responsability.
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It really is amazing how that fallacy of Republicans and the Economy still exists after the silly amount of spending by Reagan and GWB.
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01-30-2008, 11:02 PM
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#119
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: san diego
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Republicans have spent out of control. I guess they are still seen as pro-market and pro-business relative to their counterparts.
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01-30-2008, 11:10 PM
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#120
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
The everyday type of guy with multiple DUIs and former cocaine problems?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
It always cracks me up when people say "George Bush is the kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with."
Newsflash: GWB is a recovering alcoholic. He won't be having a beer with you any time soon--or setting foot in your neighbourhood bar for that matter.
At the same time, it's hard for me to understand why being a recovering alcoholic who's been sober for years is a bad thing. It's almost the only achievement of his that I respect.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
I agree with both your points. It just cracks me up when people say 'He seems like an everyday kind of guy that you could just hang out.'
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
Me too. He's the "everyday" kind of guy who was born a millionaire and went to Yale and owned a baseball team. A real working stiff.
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I haven't really heard other people make the same comments as me. I don't have any American friends, and my Canadian friends are certainly no fans of Bush. It's just the way I view him, I think he's a genuine person and I admire him for it. I certainly haven't taken that opinion of him to be popular. I like the guy, most don't.
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