The spectator sport China DOESN'T want you to see

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Dion

For sure they will be eaten in the end. At least when they die in the wild it won't be as a result of human intervention.

But really, whether you die one week or the next, what is the difference to the goat?

Unless one of his goat friends throws a killer party that next week...then I guess he'd miss that. And that'd mean he'd never get to hook up with that other hot goat he'd always fantasized about. But name one other thing his life would miss out on.

[Language]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

But really, whether you die one week or the next, what is the difference to the goat?

Unless one of his goat friends throws a killer party that next week...then I guess he'd miss that. And that'd mean he'd never get to hook up with that other hot goat he'd always fantasized about. But name one other thing his life would miss out on.

That's a ridiculously dumb statement. How about living life? Eating, having a family, etc. Just because goats aren't as intellectually advanced as humans are doesn't mean they don't enjoy their life. How about we go ahead and kill all the animals because, hell, what would they miss out on, it's not like they're going to "throw a killer party the next week".

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

But name one other thing his life would miss out on.

He'd probably miss out on not dying an unbelievably painful and frightening death.

They are pretty much throwing this animal into a snarling blender just for the sheer spectacle of seeing it suffer. There are lots of arguments about how we treat our animals here, but none of it changes the fact that this practice is plain old cruelty for the sake of entertainment.

All the "cultural" arguments and "we don't understands" aren't going to change that. I don't have to agree with something just because it is practiced in another part of the world that I've never been too.

[maverickeastwood]

Originally Posted by leonk19

That's a ridiculously dumb statement. How about living life? Eating, having a family, etc. Just because goats aren't as intellectually advanced as humans are doesn't mean they don't enjoy their life. How about we go ahead and kill all the animals because, hell, what would they miss out on, it's not like they're going to "throw a killer party the next week".

How are we that intellectually advanced when we are trying to amuse ourselves by throwing something into a blender as it may be. Is there nothing on TV? No more "house", so I guess not. Got bored of fishing? Everything else is done, even the speaker wires are straight. No more blow and the hookers left...let's all go down to the zoo! We can't be that smart, even a monkey is showing power of intelligence (been proven) http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science...imp.memory.ap/

[Rhetts_the_Best]

Being killed by a lion is like being hunted for the animal, its horrible that they are cheering! but how is it any different form slaughtering cattle in the inhumane way we do it now? People say how wrong it is that they are killing those innocent animals, but so are we and in a way that shows no respect for the animal itself!

As long as it is someone else who is killing cattle or what have you in a barbaric way the media will have there hay day with it, but once it gets turned around on the people who are pointing the finger, they will say things like, "we need to eat and its part of a buisness" and they are right

But!!

If they belive that it is a horrible and unjust act and yet they still go out and consume animals who are killed in such a manor or worse, are just hypocrites who stand behind something they hate but are actually contributing too!

Even im a hypocrite
for i eat the meat as well, but i can admit it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_the_Best

Being killed by a lion is like being hunted for the animal, its horrible that they are cheering! but how is it any different form slaughtering cattle in the inhumane way we do it now? People say how wrong it is that they are killing those innocent animals, but so are we and in a way that shows no respect for the animal itself!

The cattle that are slaughtered are killed in a very humane way. They don't suffer a painful death. One shot to the brain from an automated mechanism and it's over.

Those innocent animals in China were being killed for sport so some sadistic people can get their jollies watching a lamb being ripped to shreads. Cattle however are slaughtered for food and other products. There's a big difference

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_the_Best

Even im a hypocrite
for i eat the meat as well, but i can admit it.

I ate part of a chicken for dinner tonight. Now granted, I don't really know the circumstances of the chicken's death, but I do know that it wasn't disabled and thrown live onto my plate for me to tear to pieces and eat while it was still alive.

If it's ever my turn to fall a rung down the food chain I'd rather not be ripped limb from limb by a pack of lions. I hope those lions will have the common decency to give me a bolt in the brain or electrocute and kill me before dinner.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Is this the thread where we complain about the seal hunt?

Oh right, Canadian board.

Best is the seal hunt in Greenland where Greenpeace caused a huge suffering for natives of the land and created ghost villages all along the country.

The neat thing is the fish stocks and balance created by the seal hunt of the natives was in balance, when the seal hunt stopped the fish stocks became a problem with worms and disease that effectively hurt the eco system of the area.

But hey, they have pretty eyes

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Not all zoos are made to exploit animals for profit or to be cruel. To lop them all together is idiotic. Zoos come in many forms, good and bad.

Some are created for the survival of animals and they allow people in to pay the bills.

You're right there are many zoos of various types around the world. Almost every one of them involve taking a animal out of it's natural environment and putting them on display for our entertainment in a cage which is absolutely tiny compared to its normal environment.

Yes there are some programs where they breed them to release them into the wild, but theres also programs where they are bred solely to be sent to other zoos. yeah it's real humane to inbred a species on the verge of entinction so we can keep them alive for our entertainment.

A zoo is essentially a jail for these animals, you can make it all nice and comfortable like we try and do but no matter how soft the lazy boy and big the plasma TV it's still a prison and just like you wouldn't i don't think these animals would volunteer to be there.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Dan02

You're right there are many zoos of various types around the world. Almost every one of them involve taking a animal out of it's natural environment and putting them on display for our entertainment in a cage which is absolutely tiny compared to its normal environment.

Yes there are some programs where they breed them to release them into the wild, but theres also programs where they are bred solely to be sent to other zoos. yeah it's real humane to inbred a species on the verge of entinction so we can keep them alive for our entertainment.

A zoo is essentially a jail for these animals, you can make it all nice and comfortable like we try and do but no matter how soft the lazy boy and big the plasma TV it's still a prison and just like you wouldn't i don't think these animals would volunteer to be there.

I think you'd find that most animals in zoos were born in captivity and have no real hope of surviving on their own in the wild. Some animals come to zoos due to injury or due to human familiarity such that they are a danger to themselves and humans in the wild. Some of the most endangered animals may be brought to zoos to be saved as part of conservation programs.

For the large majority of zoos, gone are the days of a healthy animal actually being removed from the wild just to be put in that zoo and serve no other purpose.

Personally I love zoos and love bringing my kids to the zoos. It serves as way to teach about the animals and teach them to respect animals. Some zoos are good and have very nice environments and some are not so great but also tend to be working on improving the enclosures. Recently went to the Cologne and thought it was beautiful and very well done. The elephant enclosure is massive and something to see (it allows the herd to live in its natural hierarchy apparently).

[Rhetts_the_Best]

Originally Posted by Dion

The cattle that are slaughtered are killed in a very humane way. They don't suffer a painful death. One shot to the brain from an automated mechanism and it's over.

Those innocent animals in China were being killed for sport so some sadistic people can get their jollies watching a lamb being ripped to shreads. Cattle however are slaughtered for food and other products. There's a big difference

Wolves and mountain lions break into farms and eat cattle, its animal nature! To be hunted Or attacked slowly and painful they are animals and that is how the circle of life goes, the dominant eats it's prey!

Obviously it is wrong that its for sport and people cheer, but the cattle being killed is no different than if they were wild animals.