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Old 12-16-2007, 01:03 PM   #41
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Yeah, Huckabee was asked about him not believing in evolution and he said he thought the question was silly to be asked in a presidential debate, that he's not running to be an 8th grade science teacher..

Poor, poor answer.

Has he said in the past he doesn't believe in evolution or was it just an assumption on the part of the asker?

There are plenty of Christians who do accept evolutional theory.
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Poor, poor answer.

Has he said in the past he doesn't believe in evolution or was it just an assumption on the part of the asker?

There are plenty of Christians who do accept evolutional theory.
Yeah there was that debate where the question was asked that whoever doesn't believe in evolution to raise their hands, and he did.

In the video I saw he did go on to try and explain his position being that he doesn't know how long it took, 6000 or 6 million years (someone should tell him we actually do know), but that God was the overall cause behind it all...

Lemme see if I can dig it up.

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Yeah there was that debate where the question was asked that whoever doesn't believe in evolution to raise their hands, and he did.

In the video I saw he did go on to try and explain his position being that he doesn't know how long it took, 6000 or 6 million years (someone should tell him we actually do know), but that God was the overall cause behind it all...

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Interesting.

If you believe God is behind it all does that necessarily prevent you from believing in evolution? I don't think so.

Another misstep.
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Interesting.

If you believe God is behind it all does that necessarily prevent you from believing in evolution? I don't think so.

Another misstep.
Exactly... there are plenty of people (even plenty of scientists) who hold their faith without conflict with science.

However it's the ones that don't that get all the attention, and I think that's the way they want it too.
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He goes beyond sound money. He wants to return to gold-backed currency, which is never ever going to happen. Just completely unrealistic. I don't mind non-interventionist but he seems very anti-free trade, I hate that.
Ideally he wants a gold standard, realistically he has spoken of allowing competing currencies.

Paul's whole platform rests on a free market ideology, and his idea of free trade is simply elimination of trade barriers instead of having internationally managed trade.

Dr. Paul's views reflect Milton Friedman's:

Milton Friedman has argued that the North American Free Trade Agreement is actually not a "free trade" agreement, but rather is government managed trade. The essence of this criticism is that such trade agreements do not promote free trade, they inhibit it by implementing another level of bureaucracy on top of national governments. The agreement can not only have a detrimental effect on trade, but also national sovereignty as it results in an erosion of sovereignty for all nations involved and causes citizens and governments to be bound by decisions made by an unelected international body.


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Personally, I believe it doesn't matter who gets voted in, they are all working toward the same agenda. We basically get the illusion of choice, but in reality, all the candidates have already been picked.
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From what little I've seen of Obama, he seems not very knowledgeable on foreign affairs. I don't think the world deserves or can stand another President who has to learn on the job.

Yeah, JFK had to do some learning and testing on the job but he'd had some real military experience, some good experience as a Senator and had been groomed for the job since a youth.
I don't particularly like Hillary either but she has good credentials. What is this anyways a popularity contest?
Maybe Obama next time.
Thing is....outside of McCain, there aren't any candidates with military experience.

Hillary? Career politician? Exactly what I don't like.

Obama just has to surround himself with knowledgeable people who can help him when foreign affair issues come to hand.

It doesn't help to have Colin Powell as your Secretary of State, and then completely ignore his advice.
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Today many voters feel that religion is an important part of how a candidate would run the country.
Which is because the intended separation of church and state has eroded to the point where people actually believe religion is a major part of politics.

The founding fathers never intended for it to be that way.

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Gandhi surrounded himself with young girls who'm he insisted constantly be given enemas to keep themselves clean.

God bless.

Oh and Vote Ron Paul.

Time to stop central banking and their control over the world.
I bet if Ron Paul didn't believe in isolation his popularity would double.
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Isolationism + No free trade = Herbert Hoover.

Granted I haven't read up much on Paul's politics to get a feel for his views on free trade. I just know the above is a very lethal combination which has no business being unleashed on the US again.
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How many times has Ron Paul run for President anyway? This has to be at least the 4th time.
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"Those who say that religion has nothing to do with politics does not know what religion is." - Mahatma Gandhi

Religion is a huge part of our world today. The religion or lack of one effects a person's approach at everything they do. I think religion will always form part of the political debate.
Can't disagree but this election seems to be all about religion. Or what religion. Not about how they are going to run things.
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Yeah there was that debate where the question was asked that whoever doesn't believe in evolution to raise their hands, and he did.

In the video I saw he did go on to try and explain his position being that he doesn't know how long it took, 6000 or 6 million years (someone should tell him we actually do know), but that God was the overall cause behind it all...

Lemme see if I can dig it up.

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Wow, it's not even funny how much of an a$$ Bill Maher is.
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I wouldn't elect someone who, in my view, had an intolerance for religion, because I would expect their funding decisions and the laws they passed would be coloured by this intolerance. Their whole view on the world would be coloured by this intolerance.
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Ideally he wants a gold standard, realistically he has spoken of allowing competing currencies.

Paul's whole platform rests on a free market ideology, and his idea of free trade is simply elimination of trade barriers instead of having internationally managed trade.

Dr. Paul's views reflect Milton Friedman's:

Milton Friedman has argued that the North American Free Trade Agreement is actually not a "free trade" agreement, but rather is government managed trade. The essence of this criticism is that such trade agreements do not promote free trade, they inhibit it by implementing another level of bureaucracy on top of national governments. The agreement can not only have a detrimental effect on trade, but also national sovereignty as it results in an erosion of sovereignty for all nations involved and causes citizens and governments to be bound by decisions made by an unelected international body.


OK. I read his issue stance on his website and I guess I got the wrong idea. Don't agree with Friedman either but I'm a dirty liberal. Governmental oversight turns me on.
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I wouldn't elect someone who, in my view, had an intolerance for religion, because I would expect their funding decisions and the laws they passed would be coloured by this intolerance. Their whole view on the world would be coloured by this intolerance.
Well not believing in religion doesn't necessarily equate to intolerance of religion. And most religious people by definition also have intolerance for religion, other religions; if their religion is an exclusive religion anyway, i.e. the only way to heaven.

But this also goes both ways. If a candidate believes the earth is 6000 years old they have a certain level of gullibility, magical thinking, and ability to ignore reality.. the funding decisions and laws they pass are going to be coloured by that, as will their world view. Bush I think is a pretty good example, doing things because "God told me to".
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And now the muckraking begins; Huckabee's son apparently has something in common with Michael Vick
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One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241/
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OK. I read his issue stance on his website and I guess I got the wrong idea. Don't agree with Friedman either but I'm a dirty liberal. Governmental oversight turns me on.
Paul's definitely not your man then. Kucinich mentioned putting Paul on his ticket. That would be an interesting duo.

It will be interesting to see how far the religious vote takes Huckabee. I hope it's not very far. Huckabee seems like a religious democrat to me.
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