2007 NFL Regular Season

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

On the second start they stopped him BECAUSE of the false start, the guard was pulling and since he left early it created a seam for the DT, so it's tough to call that a 'stop' but yeah, Billick is an idiot for calling the TO. If I was on the defense for Baltimore I'd be so disappointed in my organization. They get zero help in and fact generally just get in the way of the D doing a good job.

But the Gafney catch was a catch ... not even close.

You're right on the false start.. can't they play 'advantage'?
4 and 6 is easier to convert for the Pats than 4th and a foot

As for the last catch, I saw catchs in the cleveland and Dallas game that bobbled less than that and were called back. I would agree with you that it was a catch but the NFL needs to be more consistent.

A question.. it's 4th down and if the play is reviewed and ruled incomplete do the penalties still take affect? The game is over.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by moon

That and because Warner's finger was broken and Martz decided that the Rams shouldn't play defense on the last drive at all.

Actually if I remember right it was because of Warner's wife being in the first row ... with the worst haircut ever shown in public

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You're right on the false start.. can't they play 'advantage'?

As for the last catch, I saw catchs in the cleveland and Dallas game that bobbled less than that and were called back. I would agree with you that it was a catch but the NFL needs to be more consistent.

A question.. it's 4th down and if the play is reviewed and ruled incomplete do the penalties still take affect? The game is over.

Penalties still would count.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by moon

The penalties were because of the TD. Bart Scott would not have reacted that way if the Pats had not scored the TD.

The penalties were committed before the TD was ever reviewed. I think the Pats would have got the ball at the one if the TD was over-turned, n'est pas?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by troutman

The penalties were committed before the TD was ever reviewed. I think the Pats would have got the ball at the one if the TD was over-turned, n'est pas?

The original play started at the 8 yard line didn't it? I think it would have been half the distance to the goal line two times so first penalty to the 4, and 2nd one to the 2 yard line and it would have been first down. Inside the 10, if you're going to committ a foul....Might as well make it a good one, the yardage is the same whether you jump offside or rip the other guys helmet off and beat him senseless with it.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by troutman

The penalties were committed before the TD was ever reviewed. I think the Pats would have got the ball at the one if the TD was over-turned, n'est pas?

I have no idea.. NFL rules change all the time.

Remember Brady's run on 4th down?

"Illegal Contact Defense... the 5 yards will be added to the end of the run"

Since when!??

[flames_1987]

Billick is a complete idiot. People have already brought up the time out call, but the Ravens letting Brady sit back in the pocket for that last drive was just as stupid if not more. You've got pressure on him all night and on both of those 4th downs you just send 3. What a disgrace, the Ravens had every chance to win that football game.

Brady sure is clutch though, you just knew with the time left and the ball in his hands he'd make someting happen. Can only pray we get to see a re-match of last years AFC Championship, and hopefully with a healthy Harrison the Colts can repeat last years performance.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The original play started at the 8 yard line didn't it? I think it would have been half the distance to the goal line two times so first penalty to the 4, and 2nd one to the 2 yard line and it would have been first down. Inside the 10, if you're going to committ a foul....Might as well make it a good one, the yardage is the whether you jump offside or rip the other guys helmet off and beat him senseless.

Throwing the flag into the stands was both hilarious and stupid as hell.
But they're human... you play THAT hard against the best team in the world and felt you got jobbed at the end.

Humans are emotional and get upset.

And 1st and goal at the 2 still doesnt guarantee anything.

[moon]

Originally Posted by troutman

The penalties were committed before the TD was ever reviewed. I think the Pats would have got the ball at the one if the TD was over-turned, n'est pas?

Sorry, I thought you were talking about if it had been ruled no catch on the field.

Yes if they reversed the call on the replay the penalties would still count.

You don't get a "I wouldn't have done that if you made the right call, do-over with penalties."

[Clever_Iggy]

Man, the Ravens are sore losers. I remember their lame-duck coach crying a couple seasons ago because he couldnt get a video review right (and blamed it on the system, the refs, etc...)

But this is stupid - the timeout was called - they showed frame by frame on ESPN and no doubt, it was a timeout called by the Ravens.

http://myespn.go.com/profile/hashmar...atriots-ravens

A bunch of gangsters out of Miami, led by the killer himself Ray Ray.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Man, the Ravens are sore losers. I remember their lame-duck coach crying a couple seasons ago because he couldnt get a video review right (and blamed it on the system, the refs, etc...)

But this is stupid - the timeout was called - they showed frame by frame on ESPN and no doubt, it was a timeout called by the Ravens.

http://myespn.go.com/profile/hashmar...atriots-ravens

A bunch of gangsters out of Miami, led by the killer himself Ray Ray.

Your a complete ######. Really a great time to make a murder joke about the NFL, especially against a guy that had the number 21 put below each eye tonight.

[OILFAN #81]

Damnit that sucked! 4th and 5 and 4th and 6 on the drive and they come through on the penalty in the endzone. God I hate the Pats! Good news is 3 times this season they could have been beat. Teams just are making bonehead mistakes at the end of games that you can't do against an amazing team like the Patriots. Teams have the game right there to win and they lose the game because of their own idiocy. I can't wait for the AFC Championship game because I don't think anyone else will beat them now (Jets and Dolphins have no hope). Pittsburgh @ NE, I don't see the Patriots losing. The only possible chance is the Giants and I hope they get it done. However, like I said earlier I think we pose the biggest threat in that AFC Championship (should we meet).

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Damnit that sucked! 4th and 5 and 4th and 6 on the drive and they come through on the penalty in the endzone. God I hate the Pats! Good news is 3 times this season they could have been beat. Teams just are making bonehead mistakes at the end of games that you can't do against an amazing team like the Patriots. Teams have the game right there to win and they lose the game because of their own idiocy. I can't wait for the AFC Championship game because I don't think anyone else will beat them now (Jets and Dolphins have no hope). Pittsburgh @ NE, I don't see the Patriots losing. The only possible chance is the Giants and I hope they get it done. However, like I said earlier I think we pose the biggest threat in that AFC Championship (should we meet).

I hope your Colts do take them out but if they don't.. don't discount the Cowboys! Having played the Pats once already (and having the lead in the 2nd half) they won't be in awe of them and the Cowboys are steadily improving.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I hope your Colts do take them out but if they don't.. don't discount the Cowboys! Having played the Pats once already (and having the lead in the 2nd half) they won't be in awe of them and the Cowboys are steadily improving.

I think Dallas will win the NFC. Imo, they have the best lineup from top to bottom in the NFC and they should represent the NFC in the Superbowl. Of course the games have to be played (and teams like the Packers have a shot) but I don't see why Dallas won't go to the dance.

And in terms of "them".....NE is the team to beat and i'm just counting down the days till we face them again. We more then likely will get that #2 seed and a 1st round bye so we would have to win a game at home to get there. But one step at a time, we need to get that 1st round bye.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I think Dallas will win the NFC. Imo, they have the best lineup from top to bottom in the NFC and they should represent the NFC in the Superbowl.

Yup yup yup... I've got $100 riding on the cowboys to make it to the SB and lose to NE... I've already decided how I'm going to spend that money.

[transplant99]

Why is everyone blaming Billick for the timeout? He didn't call it, Rex Ryan the defensive co-ordinator did.

Too bad to, because Baltimore was the better team all night.

A bunch of gangsters out of Miami, led by the killer himself Ray Ray.

Really huh? Want to link me to where Ray Lewis has ever been convicted of such an offense?

Yikes that is weak.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Pittsburgh seems to have the formula to give the Patriots trouble. The difference between Pittsburgh and Baltimore is they have a better defense and an infinitely better passing game. Game is in Foxboro though. I know there are several here who think the Steelers are overrated, and yeah, they've laid an egg (Jets game) on at least one occasion this year, but I think the Pats will have to play much better than they did last night to beat that team.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Pittsburgh seems to have the formula to give the Patriots trouble. The difference between Pittsburgh and Baltimore is they have a better defense and an infinitely better passing game. Game is in Foxboro though. I know there are several here who think the Steelers are overrated, and yeah, they've laid an egg (Jets game) on at least one occasion this year, but I think the Pats will have to play much better than they did last night to beat that team.

I tend to agree. The Steelers are a bad road team, so I'm not sure they can do it. But the Steelers to have a really good defense, they are ranked higher than the Ravens. The Steelers can run with Willie Parker, and have a much better passing game than the Ravens. Pittsburgh should be a much better Ravens clone, which means the Pats are going to dominate (the Pats NEVER seem to follow a script).

As for the review and the penalties, the penalties occurred AFTER the play so the ball would have been turned over to the Ravens THEN the penalties applied. And since the both would have been half the distance to the goal line, the Ravens would have been starting at their 2 yard line.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I tend to agree. The Steelers are a bad road team, so I'm not sure they can do it. But the Steelers to have a really good defense, they are ranked higher than the Ravens. The Steelers can run with Willie Parker, and have a much better passing game than the Ravens. Pittsburgh should be a much better Ravens clone, which means the Pats are going to dominate (the Pats NEVER seem to follow a script).

As for the review and the penalties, the penalties occurred AFTER the play so the ball would have been turned over to the Ravens THEN the penalties applied. And since the both would have been half the distance to the goal line, the Ravens would have been starting at their 2 yard line.

Actually looking back, I think the touchdown was on 1st or 2nd down after the holding penalty.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

As for the review and the penalties, the penalties occurred AFTER the play so the ball would have been turned over to the Ravens THEN the penalties applied. And since the both would have been half the distance to the goal line, the Ravens would have been starting at their 2 yard line.

I thought the touchdown pass that caused Scott to flip out occurred on a first down play didn't it? So the Pats would have still had the ball and an automatic first down. Had it happened on a 4th down play after it had been ruled a catch than Scott flipped out, the play is reviewed and over turned, than I think what you say is correct.