For those of us who think it is ok to speed.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Actually, you are not only being dangerous, you are technically breaking the law when you don't move over to let someone pass. Deerfoot is actually a highway, and the rule on all Alberta highways is "slower traffic keep right". I know 2 cops personally, and they both have confirmed this is true.

The problem with your logic, is that the speeding dude is going to pass you no matter what. Him undertaking you is way more dangerous than if you just got your law abiding ass to the middle lane.

But everyone else is the ###### or moron here I guess.

Dr. Evil, can you please respond to this?

Or acknowledge your error with your silence....

Thank you,

MaxPower

[Dr. Evil]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Actually, you are not only being dangerous, you are technically breaking the law when you don't move over to let someone pass. Deerfoot is actually a highway, and the rule on all Alberta highways is "slower traffic keep right". I know 2 cops personally, and they both have confirmed this is true.

The problem with your logic, is that the speeding dude is going to pass you no matter what. Him undertaking you is way more dangerous than if you just got your law abiding ass to the middle lane.

But everyone else is the ###### or moron here I guess.

No, driving at 120 and changing into a lane where the traffic is going slower is MORE dangerous than maintaining my speed in the lane I am in. Deerfoot is not a highway, it's a freeway within the city. If it was a highway it would be patrolled by the RCMP. Furthermore, ANY cop that tells me I must yeild to someone going faster than the posted speed limit needs their badge taken. You are trying to tell me 2 officers of the law who are sworn to uphold the law, which states the maximun speed allowed to travel is 100KPH say it's ok for someone to exceed that speed and tailgate others in an attempt to force them to yield the lane is right, you are on glue. Cops just say that crap so they don't have to get into the argument, and I know plenty of cops. Slower traffic means traffic going SLOWER than 100KPH, because BY LAW you are not to go above. And as already stated my "law abiding ass" was breaking the law going 20 over. Thanks for reading that. I drive in the left lane till I get to the off-ramp I need. That's what it's there for. If you don't like the speed I'm going, to F-ing bad. You own nothing on the road that I don't and if you want to go faster YOU can put yourself and everyone else at risk by trying to pass in other lanes. I'm not ever going to yield to anyone because they think they have any rights over what I do. ANY cop who tells me I'm wrong or pulls me over will find a nice preprimand against them for not dealing with the real problem and make such utter false statements. Oh yeah, I know a GREAT lawyer to.

Just to clarrify, I'm in the left lane going a great distance on one road and travelling usualy above the posted limit (yes, I am a BAD driver) all the while passing traffic in the middle lane. I am not going slower than the traffic next to me and by the general logic of the posted on this message board I own the road. I'm under no obligation to move into a lane of slower moving traffic for anyone without blue and/or red flashing lights. I am also doing my best to leave a large following distance for safety and others who may want to merge into the lane. I begin making my way to the right lanes well before my exit based on the density and flow of traffic. If that's not good enough to be driving in the left lane, it really doesn't matter. You can tailgate me all you want, I'm not going to yield to anyone who thinks they have to be someplace more important to get to than me. You own as much of the road as I do, exactly none.

[Dan02]

Guess there really is no honour amoung speeders, no offense Dr. Evil but you're ranting about speeders being dangerous, from the way you talk you're just outright dangerous on the road.

There are hundreds/thousands of people on deerfoot at any one time, maybe you're parents didn't teach you to, but the rest of us would appreciate if you would share just a little bit.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Oh FFS.... This has been covered before in other threads. You are incorrect regarding Deerfoot.

And as was pointed out in other threads, there are "Slower Traffic keep right" signs on Deerfoot. So once again we have gov't agencies speaking out of both sides of their mouths.

Let's not de-rail this thread much more than it already has been; and agree that there are different sources saying different things.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by ken0042

And as was pointed out in other threads, there are "Slower Traffic keep right" signs on Deerfoot. So once again we have gov't agencies speaking out of both sides of their mouths.

Come on Ken, don't be daft. There are NONE alone the main portion of the drive. Going south, the last one is when the road is 110 kph north of the airport. Then nothing until way down south when the road is more highway than inner city freeway. Notice anything about that?

IF the main part of Deerfoot required this, then there would be signs all along it.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

Furthermore, ANY cop that tells me I must yeild to someone going faster than the posted speed limit needs their badge taken. You are trying to tell me 2 officers of the law who are sworn to uphold the law, which states the maximun speed allowed to travel is 100KPH say it's ok for someone to exceed that speed and tailgate others in an attempt to force them to yield the lane is right, you are on glue.

That is a massive logical fallacy. Obviously no cop is going to say that someone is allowed to tailgate or attempt to force someone over, no matter how much you want to exaggerate in a feeble attempt at responding to this argument.

However, you do have a responsibility to yield the passing lane to someone who wants to pass you when it is safe to do so. And yes, that means that you just might have to slow down a bit when waiting for the passing car to complete the pass because you caught up to the next vehicle in the right lane too quick.

Like others have said: share the road. It isn't yours. It is patently obvious that, despite stating it, you don't understand this concept.

[Ford Prefect]

In my 30 years of driving I've been in one accident with myself behind the wheel and one accident with someone else driving, plus numerous "ditch jobs". Speed has not been a factor in a single incident. Driver tiredness, improper care and attention, faulty brakes and bad road conditions have been the cause of every mishap I've been involved in. So, based on my own empirical evidence, speed is highly overblown as a cause of accidents. The exception to this is the combination of speed and bad road conditions, which is like combining fire and gasoline, but even then the bad road conditions are at least half of the problem. Someone traveling at 160 km/h is obviously open to a greater chance of an accident than someone traveling at speed limit, but I do not see your garden variety speeder (120 km/h on a rural highway) being at greater risk to themselves or others than someone who has been on the road for 12 hours, or someone who's brakes have been squealing for the last 1000 clicks, or somebody traveling on Highway 2 during a blizzard. So why are speeders so vilified around here? Why not publicly flog the guy who can't afford a brake job instead? Or the guy who just has to do the Victoria to Calgary drive non-stop?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by redforever

I can't believe it!!! I keep checking for an "enlightening" post in this thresad by 4x4, NOTHING?!?!

I haven't been on the comp all weekend. But if you're looking for enlightenment, just look at the 4 or 5 people that admitted to speeding. And here I thought that cp was full of saints.

[llama64]

Speed doesn't necessarily cause accidents. Speed makes accidents exponentially worse for those involved.

There is no need for anyone to exceed the speed limit by more then 10 km, EVER. Exceptions are:
- Emergency vehicles
- Passing on a highway (though this is only an issue when behind a car doing 40 below the speed limit)

I've read thread after thread on CP about speeding and driving in general and no one has ever come up with a compelling reason to justify speeding more then 10 km over the limit.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by llama64

I've read thread after thread on CP about speeding and driving in general and no one has ever come up with a compelling reason to justify speeding more then 10 km over the limit.

Sorry, I just figured it was obvious.

It gets you there faster.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Sorry, I just figured it was obvious.

It gets you there faster.

Touchè!

The people who speed through city streets usually end up right beside me at the next traffic light. </shrug>

[ken0042]

Yeah, there is certainly an "art" to speeding. For example speeding in the residential zone for the last kilometre before you get home won't help much. But speeding a bit down McLeod towards a stale green light can save minutes.

Which is why if they really wanted to curb speeding they would syncronize the lights. In Winnipeg on Portage ave if you do 60 you will hit every light green. If you do 70 you will hit them all red.

But a funny thing; I once got into an arguement with somebody when I told them I always did 10 over on the highway; and they couldn't see how that would get me from Calgary to Winnipeg any faster.

[flamesdyehard]

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

No, driving at 120 and changing into a lane where the traffic is going slower is MORE dangerous than maintaining my speed in the lane I am in. Deerfoot is not a highway, it's a freeway within the city. If it was a highway it would be patrolled by the RCMP. Furthermore, ANY cop that tells me I must yeild to someone going faster than the posted speed limit needs their badge taken. You are trying to tell me 2 officers of the law who are sworn to uphold the law, which states the maximun speed allowed to travel is 100KPH say it's ok for someone to exceed that speed and tailgate others in an attempt to force them to yield the lane is right, you are on glue. Cops just say that crap so they don't have to get into the argument, and I know plenty of cops. Slower traffic means traffic going SLOWER than 100KPH, because BY LAW you are not to go above. And as already stated my "law abiding ass" was breaking the law going 20 over. Thanks for reading that. I drive in the left lane till I get to the off-ramp I need. That's what it's there for. If you don't like the speed I'm going, to F-ing bad. You own nothing on the road that I don't and if you want to go faster YOU can put yourself and everyone else at risk by trying to pass in other lanes. I'm not ever going to yield to anyone because they think they have any rights over what I do. ANY cop who tells me I'm wrong or pulls me over will find a nice preprimand against them for not dealing with the real problem and make such utter false statements. Oh yeah, I know a GREAT lawyer to.

Just to clarrify, I'm in the left lane going a great distance on one road and travelling usualy above the posted limit (yes, I am a BAD driver) all the while passing traffic in the middle lane. I am not going slower than the traffic next to me and by the general logic of the posted on this message board I own the road. I'm under no obligation to move into a lane of slower moving traffic for anyone without blue and/or red flashing lights. I am also doing my best to leave a large following distance for safety and others who may want to merge into the lane. I begin making my way to the right lanes well before my exit based on the density and flow of traffic. If that's not good enough to be driving in the left lane, it really doesn't matter. You can tailgate me all you want, I'm not going to yield to anyone who thinks they have to be someplace more important to get to than me. You own as much of the road as I do, exactly none.

You are seriously one of the most miserable people I have come across. What is it that makes you this way? Have you heard of something called courtesy? Your bitterness is disgusting, and your rant has all the maturity of a 5 year old. The fact is if you had any courtesy or regard for other people you would drive where you impeded traffic the least, wherever that may be. It depends on the situation. You act like a freaking computer instead of reacting to certain situations differently. Sometimes it's safer to be in the left lane, other time it's safer to be in another lane. It all great that you are trying to change the world, but you are a hypocrite and probably the worst driver in Alberta.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by llama64

Touchè!

The people who speed through city streets usually end up right beside me at the next traffic light. </shrug>

In the city, yeah, there's rarely a reason to go over 10km/h past the limit.

On the highway, its a different story. I tend to go 10-20 over the limit, depending on the highway and its condition. If its Highway 1 west... typically no more than 10km over, since there's a lot of wildlife. Highway 2 or Highway 1 east for example... there's no reason why up to 130km/h should be considered unsafe. The difference between driving 100km/h and 130km/h to Edmonton is at least 45 mins. of driving, and the limit to 130km is a good 30 mins of driving as well. (2hr. 15min @ 130km/h v. 2hr. 45 min @ 110km/h v. 3hr. @ 100km/h).

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

In the city, yeah, there's rarely a reason to go over 10km/h past the limit.

On the highway, its a different story. I tend to go 10-20 over the limit, depending on the highway and its condition. If its Highway 1 west... typically no more than 10km over, since there's a lot of wildlife. Highway 2 or Highway 1 east for example... there's no reason why up to 130km/h should be considered unsafe. The difference between driving 100km/h and 130km/h to Edmonton is at least 45 mins. of driving, and the limit to 130km is a good 30 mins of driving as well. (2hr. 15min @ 130km/h v. 2hr. 45 min @ 110km/h v. 3hr. @ 100km/h).

100% agree, though going 40 above on a highway is just asking for death. My complaints about speeders is specific to City driving, including Deerfoot.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by llama64

100% agree, though going 40 above on a highway is just asking for death. My complaints about speeders is specific to City driving, including Deerfoot.

Pretty much. A couple major highways in these parts are built to be capable of those speeds, but its not so much the road as the vehicles around it. Most tires aren't made to go faster than 140-160km/h anyway.

[Shawnski]

Ken, for the record I just drove Deerfoot and here are the sign counts:

Northbound from 22x to the city limits.

27 for speed limit
7 triangular "no slow moving vehicles" (i.e. farm tractors etc)
9 photo radar
0 "slower traffic keep right"

The first STKR sign is immediately past the city limits (a green on to get your attention)

Heading southbound, the last one is once again, outside city limits at Balzac. Between there and 130th Ave (which is the first one where it appears again as the road is better suited for it) there are:

26 speed limit
6 triangular "no slow moving vehicles"
12 photo radar
0 slower traffic keep right

You might want to agree to disagree, but thems the facts.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by llama64

Touchè!

The people who speed through city streets usually end up right beside me at the next traffic light. </shrug>

Indeed, unless you're on a major street with overpasses instead of lights theres no real reason to boot it around the city. Occasionally you might "need" to speed to make a light but thats about it, and by "need" i do not mean put the hammer down and boot it through the intersection at 30 over.

Maybe its not safe but the amount of red light running i see is absolutely ridiculous in this city and i guarentee you my going that extra 5 kph to make the light is a hell of alot safer then the donkey who cruises along then decides to burn the red.

3 times in the last month i have seen someone blow a outright red light. 2 of those times it was so bad, had i not being paying particular attention and saw the donkey coming, I would have been hit as i was going across the intersection the other way and had a green light. How do you not notice you just passed 3 cars coming to a stop? One time was actually so bad and i could see it coming from so far away i was pre honking before the donkey even entered the intersection.

[Dan02]

And i would just like to add that while there are no slower traffic keep right signs on deerfoot, it is just common courtesy to do so, unless you're a road nazi there's no reason not to move over for someone, for all you know there is a emergency they need to get to asap. Wouldn't you be pleased if someone in the car was having a heart attack and because you decided to be a dick they got to the hospital just a minute too late?

[Bill Bumface]

So how many people on here drive on Crowchild between Nose Hill Drive and 24th Ave NW every day? Do you actually go 80? I sure as hell don't. No at grade intersections, a minimum of 3 very wide lanes at any given time, and the flow of traffic usually seems to be around 90-100km/h. I've been going 100 in heavy traffic and had several people blow by me, which is in my opinion when it gets a litte scary. I'm sure people say the same when the road is empty and I go by at 110 in the left lane.