For those of us who think it is ok to speed.

[Dr. Evil]

Originally Posted by Dan02

You know the funny thing, very few people don't speed. I am quite amazed at the number of people here who get all up in arms about it like yourself. Are you saying you "NEVER" speed?

According to this study

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News...c=n111111A.xml

over 80% of Canadians do, and thats only those who admit to it, researchers suggested the actual number was higher.



So are you one of the few drivers who actually never speed? or are you one of the hypocrits.

I'm a speeder, usually float around 10 over the limit on most roads, except playground/school zones where i do 30 and on the highways where i do 15-20 over depending on how fast the rest of traffic is going.

I never made any claim that I don't go over the posted speed limit. However I'm not a ###### who belives I'm a better driver than the hundreds of others on the road and that I have the right of way because I choose to drive in excess of the limit. I fully admit that when I dissobey the law and accellerate my vehicle beyond the posted safe limit that I am a dangerous and bad driver. Like I said, get over yourselves. If you speed, you are NOT a good driver, not matter what you believe yourself to be.

I also love all you morons who think a vehicle doing 20 over the limit is STILL not enough for you and they should yield to your lead foot, while at the same time you would not move for a person wanting do go 20 more thank you. Like the moron who tailgated me (yes, that's safe ) past all the slower traffic the other night until I changed lanes to get to my off-ramp and he wanted to do the same. To bad because of his "good" driving skills he tried to pass me after I had changed lanes but couldn't do so himself as there was another vehicle in the middle lane. I took my off-ramp, he took the long way home. You know the best part? By the time the off-ramp came up there wasn't a single vehicle on the road behind me or him. He could have changed lanes behind me and gotten home in due time, but instead tried to shove himself past and got himself cut off. All this while I was already doing 20 over. That's some "good" driving there.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

To clear up some misconceptions on governors, the reason Ken's car is governed at 170km/h is because the OEM tires on his vehicle are S rated, and only good to 180km/h.

My car comes with Y rated tires (sometimes called ZR) which are good to 300km/h. Unfortunately, I'm not rich enough to own a car that can go that fast, so my car has no governor, as it can't overcome wind resistance once it hits 235km/h.

Governors are there to protect manufacturers from lawsuits filed by people who drive 200km/h on tires only rated to 180km/h and have a blowout and get injured.

Thanks for that, makes sense. It's something I've always wondered about

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

I never made any claim that I don't go over the posted speed limit. However I'm not a ###### who belives I'm a better driver than the hundreds of others on the road and that I have the right of way because I choose to drive in excess of the limit. I fully admit that when I dissobey the law and accellerate my vehicle beyond the posted safe limit that I am a dangerous and bad driver. Like I said, get over yourselves. If you speed, you are NOT a good driver, not matter what you believe yourself to be.

I also love all you morons who think a vehicle doing 20 over the limit is STILL not enough for you and they should yield to your lead foot, while at the same time you would not move for a person wanting do go 20 more thank you. Like the moron who tailgated me (yes, that's safe ) past all the slower traffic the other night until I changed lanes to get to my off-ramp and he wanted to do the same. To bad because of his "good" driving skills he tried to pass me after I had changed lanes but couldn't do so himself as there was another vehicle in the middle lane. I took my off-ramp, he took the long way home. You know the best part? By the time the off-ramp came up there wasn't a single vehicle on the road behind me or him. He could have changed lanes behind me and gotten home in due time, but instead tried to shove himself past and got himself cut off. All this while I was already doing 20 over. That's some "good" driving there.

Judging by your story... your one of the prostars who sits in the left lane until the last possible moment, at which point they cut across 4 lanes and a painted meridian to make their exit.. Bravo...

[Weiser Wonder]

The next logical step in the statement "speed doesn't kill, driver error does" should be "but speeding makes driver error more likely". It is harder to control your vehicle at higher speeds (duh). It is not really relevant whether one individual can handle going at high speeds. All that matters is whether everyone can go that speed. The answer is an obvious no.

Before people should be allowed to speed, skill tests need to be harder. That way it can be assumed all drivers are competent enough to maneuver at high speeds.

[Dr. Evil]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Judging by your story... your one of the prostars who sits in the left lane until the last possible moment, at which point they cut across 4 lanes and a painted meridian to make their exit.. Bravo...

Actualy I drive in the through-lane, the left hand one, untill I approach my off-ramp and with due time I make my way over, stopping and re-signaling in each lane while checking blind spots. As stated in my story the idiot who tailgated me could have changed lanes behind me to get where he wanted to go but instead tried to pass after I got out of the lane properly and by the time he was ahead another vehicle in the middle lane was in his way to get over. I was already 3 lanes over by that point, but he had to be first and that got him a nice long trip.

I've driven Deerfoot end to end daily for a long time. I'm not stupid enough to think running to the last second and then forcing my way over is actualy going to work. It's ######s like that who cause all the traffic back-ups that I've already been sitting though in the first place. I have a lot more respect for others than to believe I own the road and everyone else should bow to my desire. The left lane is a through-lane, not the speeders who think they are better drivers and want to do whatever they want lane. Unless you have blue and/or red flashing lights I am under no obligation to move for anyone, provided I am maintaining the traffic flow (or even exceeding).

I also get a kick out of the lead foots who want to tailgate while I leave some distance to the car ahead of me. Catching up to the packed line-up of cars isn't going to get me home any faster, but leaving 3-4 car lengths at any speed will benefit me incase of an emergency.

[albertGQ]

The stats say 8 out of 10 drivers speed, but it looks like 9 out of 10 posters on CP never go above the limit

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by redforever

Gross.

You are gonna have a problem when you don't swerve and there is a moose or elk on the road. They don't give much((

In driver's ed, they stress that you're better off not to swerve and to hit the animal. Even an Elk has more give than the side of a mountain, or trees, another vehicle or a steep ditch.

I also think now is a good time to reiterate what Cowboy89 said, about how we've had more than enough of these kinds of threads and the neverending battle between "any speeding is unsafe" and "its not the speed, its the driver."

[Dion]

Speeders likely to understate how fast they go


“People don't see themselves as the problem, they see others as the problem – I'm okay and you're the bad guy,” said Raynald Marchand, the general manager of programs for the Canada Safety Council.

“That's pretty human, it's the same with people with regard to cellular phones – I'm okay when I'm using mine, but that guy over there, he's the problem.”

The report suggests that the biggest problem group of drivers is the 30 per cent who speed more than average, and do not believe their speeding translates into a greater risk of an accident, injury or death.

They are labelled two ways, either as risk-takers or as pragmatic speeders. Risk-takers enjoy the thrill of high speed and defying authority, while pragmatic speeders consciously drive aggressively when they believe they have reason to, such as being in a hurry.

“When you look at collision crashes, speeding itself is often not the actual cause of the collision, however, speeding is always an aggravating factor in the collision – the occupant would've been less injured or would've survived if they had been closer to the speed limit,” Mr. Marchand said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...tory/National/

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

I've driven Deerfoot end to end daily for a long time. I'm not stupid enough to think running to the last second and then forcing my way over is actualy going to work. It's ######s like that who cause all the traffic back-ups that I've already been sitting though in the first place. I have a lot more respect for others than to believe I own the road and everyone else should bow to my desire. The left lane is a through-lane, not the speeders who think they are better drivers and want to do whatever they want lane. Unless you have blue and/or red flashing lights I am under no obligation to move for anyone, provided I am maintaining the traffic flow (or even exceeding).

Actually, you are not only being dangerous, you are technically breaking the law when you don't move over to let someone pass. Deerfoot is actually a highway, and the rule on all Alberta highways is "slower traffic keep right". I know 2 cops personally, and they both have confirmed this is true.

The problem with your logic, is that the speeding dude is going to pass you no matter what. Him undertaking you is way more dangerous than if you just got your law abiding ass to the middle lane.

But everyone else is the ###### or moron here I guess.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Dion

Speeders likely to understate how fast they go

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...tory/National/

congrats on the in thread fata, may i suggest reading the thread before posting next time

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Actually, you are not only being dangerous, you are technically breaking the law when you don't move over to let someone pass. Deerfoot is actually a highway, and the rule on all Alberta highways is "slower traffic keep right". I know 2 cops personally, and they both have confirmed this is true.

The problem with your logic, is that the speeding dude is going to pass you no matter what. Him undertaking you is way more dangerous than if you just got your law abiding ass to the middle lane.

But everyone else is the ###### or moron here I guess.

Actually, what I think he is reffering to-which happens to me all the time-is idiots tailgating you , when there are dozens more cars in the lane ahead of you going the same speed-all while you are still PASSING cars in the other lanes (so you are NOT SLOWER trafffic).

Is it worth endangering everyone on the road, just to rush ahead and tailgate every vehicle on the road?

Why is your "flow" of traffic more important than mine? Why should I have to SLOW down to move over and let you by?

[J pold]

I speed often at excessive limits, one day I’m sure it will be my demise

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Actually, you are not only being dangerous, you are technically breaking the law when you don't move over to let someone pass. Deerfoot is actually a highway, and the rule on all Alberta highways is "slower traffic keep right". I know 2 cops personally, and they both have confirmed this is true.

Oh FFS.... This has been covered before in other threads. You are incorrect regarding Deerfoot.

The Slower Traffic Keep Right sign is not recommended for the following situations:

• approaches to and through an interchange area

• freeway sections passing through urban centres (e.g. Deerfoot Trail)

• sections of two-lane highway where a third auxiliary lane has been added for passing. A Keep Right Except to Pass
sign is used for this purpose.

Straight from government documents.

http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFT...Right_Sign.pdf

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Stillman16

Actually, what I think he is reffering to-which happens to me all the time-is idiots tailgating you , when there are dozens more cars in the lane ahead of you going the same speed-all while you are still PASSING cars in the other lanes (so you are NOT SLOWER trafffic).

Is it worth endangering everyone on the road, just to rush ahead and tailgate every vehicle on the road?

Why is your "flow" of traffic more important than mine? Why should I have to SLOW down to move over and let you by?

Ah, my bad for misunderstanding. In that scenario, I completely agree and see it 10 times a day on Deerfoot.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

The "trigger" of a collision may be driver error. Speeding is rarely a trigger. It is usually driver distraction, following too close, or making unsafe turns.

But the severity of a collision is directly related to the speed.

Take the speed out of the equation and most collisions with today's ultra-safe vehicle are surviveable. Yet we still have 300-400 deaths EVERY YEAR on Alberta's roads.

Hey buddy, can we take driver error out of the equation instead? Or should the rest of us still suffer because the uneducatable are still given driver's licenses?

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Oh FFS.... This has been covered before in other threads. You are incorrect regarding Deerfoot.

Whatever. I still think doing 100 in the left lane just to prove your point is way more dangerous than doing 120 on Deerfoot.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by Dan02

A friend suffered a flat tire due to a nail on the highway which caused an minor accident. I was riding in another car when the heating core popped in the middle of summer, almost instantly the car was filled with a impermiable fog, didn't cause a accident but very well could have. Saw a accident on deerfoot this summer where a ladder had fallen onto the road around a blind curve, unfortunately the car infront of us had no where to go because there was someone beside them and they ended up clipping the ladder which at that speed caused quite extensive damage on the front end.

Still think all accidents are driver error??? While I think it's fair to say most accidents are caused by drive error, I don't think it's fair to say all are. s*** happens sometimes.

Great point, pal. My mom got hit by a meteor when I was 5, I hate Jesus. Wanna talk about that? OK, how about a different thread where it's relevant?

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

We should fata any more threads about speeding or driving. I'm sick of hearing the usual people whining about either their right to speed or the other side that thinks its okay to do equally unsafe things to try and take the law into their own hands by slowing people down in the left hand lane. These points have been hammered on endlessly already in many other threads.

Hey Cowboy Hat, quick solution: DON'T CLICK ON THE THREAD IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR EITHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT!

Problem solved.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by Dan02

You know the funny thing, very few people don't speed. I am quite amazed at the number of people here who get all up in arms about it like yourself. Are you saying you "NEVER" speed?

According to this study

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News...c=n111111A.xml

over 80% of Canadians do, and thats only those who admit to it, researchers suggested the actual number was higher.



So are you one of the few drivers who actually never speed? or are you one of the hypocrits.

I'm a speeder, usually float around 10 over the limit on most roads, except playground/school zones where i do 30 and on the highways where i do 15-20 over depending on how fast the rest of traffic is going.

I somewhat agree..

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

The next logical step in the statement "speed doesn't kill, driver error does" should be "but speeding makes driver error more likely". It is harder to control your vehicle at higher speeds (duh). It is not really relevant whether one individual can handle going at high speeds. All that matters is whether everyone can go that speed. The answer is an obvious no.

Before people should be allowed to speed, skill tests need to be harder. That way it can be assumed all drivers are competent enough to maneuver at high speeds.

I would LOVE to see harder tests. Most of this thread, based on what has been posted would fail.

Why don't some of you geniuses tell me why, out of every number available, exactly ONE HUNDRED kilometers per hour was chosen as then national speed limit. Why not 95? or 117? Could it be because lawmakers were unsure about what was actually safe and guessed at their favorite number