10-11-2007, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Snakeeye
The right to vote includes the right not to vote. Personally, I hate the argument that one should vote because our grandfathers fought in the great wars.
Frankly, I'd rather the ignorant did not vote.
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Personally I am insulted by your comment. While I agree that people shouldn't be voting just for the sake of voting, if they have no idea of the candidates or issues, the RIGHT to cast that ballot was something that my father, who is still living and a WWII veteran, who spent 2-1/2 years as a POW did and does believe in and it was something that he and millions of other people fought for.
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10-11-2007, 11:58 AM
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#22
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by bigtmac19
Personally I am insulted by your comment. While I agree that people shouldn't be voting just for the sake of voting, if they have no idea of the candidates or issues, the RIGHT to cast that ballot was something that my father, who is still living and a WWII veteran, who spent 2-1/2 years as a POW did and does believe in and it was something that he and millions of other people fought for.
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I'm not sure why you are insulted? I don't think there was any implication people's rights should be taken away.
Indeed, you seem to agree with Snakeeye (if I'm reading it wrong, please let me know): "While I agree that people shouldn't be voting just for the sake of voting, if they have no idea of the candidates or issues..."
(And my grandfather was wounded in WWI)
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10-11-2007, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
I'm not sure why you are insulted? I don't think there was any implication people's rights should be taken away.
Indeed, you seem to agree with Snakeeye (if I'm reading it wrong, please let me know): "While I agree that people shouldn't be voting just for the sake of voting, if they have no idea of the candidates or issues..."
(And my grandfather was wounded in WWI)
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Well, I do to the one statement. What I felt insulted over was the quote, that he was tired of the argument you should vote because people's grandfathers fought in WWII for the right to vote. I felt he was belittling that.
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10-11-2007, 12:09 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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I am belittling that specific argument, not what our grandfathers fought for.
If you choose not to vote, that is your right. The very same right that they fought for. The argument I am belittling tries to argue that freedom is nothing more than doing what others say you should do. That is patently incorrect.
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10-11-2007, 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakeeye
I am belittling that specific argument, not what our grandfathers fought for.
If you choose not to vote, that is your right. The very same right that they fought for. The argument I am belittling tries to argue that freedom is nothing more than doing what others say you should do. That is patently incorrect.
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Okay, we agree to disagree over that point. I don't agree with belittling that specific argument, I think it is a valid thing to say. I realize what you meant specifically.
You are right, you can vote or not as you choose. It personally bugs me that people don't vote, don't care to vote, don't care to find out what's going on around them, I know people like this.
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10-11-2007, 02:27 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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My opinion is summed up by Rick Mercer
http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/backissues.php
Go to videos and scroll down to "Electoral Reform".
Do you really want a bunch of wingnuts in parliament influencing a minority government who needs their votes? The communist party?
No thanks!
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10-12-2007, 08:32 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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I think its too bad that the referendum was defeated. Sure you could end up with a small party holding the balance of power, but at the same time the representation is more closely aligned with the peoples will.
They chose the MMP system to be voted on in Ontario based on a citizens coalition IIRC.
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10-12-2007, 09:28 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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An issue I heard about this method was people weren't really happy that someone could be elected that they didn't really vote for. They may have a great local representative, but didn't want that vote to also mean someone they didn't like getting elected. While personally I like the concept, in practice it will be difficult to put in place in a manner the average person can understand (and support).
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—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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