Heroes Season 2 Discussion (Mark Spoilers)

[Machiavelli]

I couldn't believe I was fooled by the fake crime scene premise - gets me everytime.

[philip1985]

Man, there was not a lot of commercial breaks, and the two they had were very short. I have to agree that they did pack a lot of information in this one hour they had. It will be interesting how the rest of the season unfolds. I'm curious how they will handle Hiro being stuck in the past and what his actions will have on the present/future.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I figure this is what's happening - but they have to make it cool. Right now- wasn't cool at all. The tone of it was completely different from the rest of the show.

Yeah it seemed more comical than the rest. Sure keep Hiro comical that's part of his charm, but not the situations he's in or the people around him necessarily.
But good episode. I like the Sauronesque entity that's out there. That's creating a lot of interest. And...is that anything to do with the death marks being sent out? Or is it different all together?
And what the hell happened to the invisible man from last season?
Also Peter WTF!

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Flame On

And what the hell happened to the invisible man from last season?

Didn't he bump into someone early in the episode?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I figure this is what's happening - but they have to make it cool. Right now- wasn't cool at all. The tone of it was completely different from the rest of the show.

I agree. tone was completly off.

I think the swordsmiths daughter will teach him how to fight and they will fal in love.

I thought the kid who Claire met was actually Peter when he was flying. This is the first time we have seen powers duplicated.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Didn't he bump into someone early in the episode?

No that was Nathan with the beard at the start I thought.

[V]

I figured the guy that bumped into Ando at the beginning was the invisible man too. I'd have to go back, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't Nathan.

[Barnes]

it was Nathan.

[KevanGuy]

The symbol on the photos and in Molly's pictures is Takezo Kensei's. I guess that is the tie-in from Hiro in the past and the 'present'.

[Flaming Choy]

Originally Posted by Patrick

2 - OR, Hiro becomes the real Kenso and the stories his dad tells him are actually of Hiro.

my guess as well. once he accomplishes all his trials then he'll warp back to the present all bad-ass. Of course, he'll probably fall in love with the swordsmiths daughter and will have to leave her in the past.

Any idea when sylar is gonna pop back up? he's still alive, right?

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Flaming Choy

my guess as well. once he accomplishes all his trials then he'll warp back to the present all bad-ass. Of course, he'll probably fall in love with the swordsmiths daughter and will have to leave her in the past.

Any idea when sylar is gonna pop back up? he's still alive, right?

Yes, they showed him at the end of the episode in the season preview.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I thought some stuff worked, other stuff not so much.

The storyline involving Hiro back in Japan is a waste. The english guy is a lame attempt at comedy, and I'd rather see Hiro continue on his path to becoming the bad-ass we saw in the future. The stuff with Claire was OK but I find it hard to believe with what's at stake (namely the lives of her and her family) she would be so careless. Dumb.

I did like the stuff with the Petrelli brothers, and the cop - I thought that worked.

Overall not great but not horrible. Tough to live up to last season.

Totally agree with all of this. I also liked the parts where Mohinder and HRG are setting a trap for the bad guys (and Matt may be in on it as well since he's connected to Mohinder through Molly). And the part with Peter at the end was pretty cool too -- kind of reminded me of the opening of The Bourne Identity where he has no idea who he is but kicks the crap out of those cops. I also like the mystery man attacking Hiro's dad.

I thought the part with Claire and that flying guy that will inevitably turn out to be her boyfriend was pretty lame. Hiro's part was also dumb, seems too disconnected from the rest of the story, aside from the symbol on the samurai flags. My bet is Hiro takes the role of his hero and performs his deeds.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I was very impressed with Journey Man. Yes a little too much like Quantum Leap - but heck that was a good show. I thought even though the premise was old, it was executed well.

I thought the show was mediocre. I much prefer the Quantum Leap take where he actually becomes a person close to the person he's trying to save.

[llama64]

Heroes was pretty good. They could do well to drop the WB portion of the show (Claire) though. I personally love Hiro's story arc, and I gotta say the writters are getting damn good at stretching that symbol hook to new breaking points.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I was very impressed with Journey Man. Yes a little too much like Quantum Leap - but heck that was a good show. I thought even though the premise was old, it was executed well.

The only reason I noticed Journeyman was because of the main actor. I just finished watching both seasons of Rome and saw Kevin McKid in a new show. Turned out to be pretty good. Certainly no Quantum Leap, but it shows potential. Kinda refreshing to see a show more episodic in nature then the now common style where a plot is stretched over an entire season.

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by llama64

Heroes was pretty good. They could do well to drop the WB portion of the show (Claire) though. I personally love Hiro's story arc, and I gotta say the writters are getting damn good at stretching that symbol hook to new breaking points.



The only reason I noticed Journeyman was because of the main actor. I just finished watching both seasons of Rome and saw Kevin McKid in a new show. Turned out to be pretty good. Certainly no Quantum Leap, but it shows potential. Kinda refreshing to see a show more episodic in nature then the now common style where a plot is stretched over an entire season.

agreed, thought it was quite good actually. It seemed a bit disconnected throughout the most part, but came together nicely near the end. I have a love/hate relationship with shows like that.
I caught the tail end of Heros, so I will need to watch it from the beginning. they are going to be hard pressed to surpass last year, but from the looks of it, they are off to a good start.

[Ozy_Flame]

Can't say I was completely impressed with Heroes last night, but it did it's job of opening the second season. It definitely added more plot twists and extended the timelines on some of the stories, such as Hiro's Kensei sword saga, and Jack's plan to bring down the "company" (who BTW had the funniest part in the show when he twisted his bosses' finger).

Can't say I'm a fan of the Claire storyline though. Same shinguard, different school. Except this time her new "interest" (and that's what it's obviously going to be - a love interest) can fly. I really thought that kid was the guy who tried to rape her in the first season. Too many mop-headed, wise-cracking teenagers on this show.

On a positive note - no Nikki or DL! WHOOOOO!!! I hate those two, they can disappear into oblivion.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by philip1985

Man, there was not a lot of commercial breaks, and the two they had were very short. I have to agree that they did pack a lot of information in this one hour they had. It will be interesting how the rest of the season unfolds. I'm curious how they will handle Hiro being stuck in the past and what his actions will have on the present/future.

IMO, I think they're gonna use that one theory where it basically states everything is predetermined. So Hiro is meant to time travel back and that the future is the way it is because he travels back in time. And no matter how he thinks he might be changing it, it always reverts to the way its supposed to be. I think they hinted at that when they had the story with Hiro and that bar waitress. So no matter what he did to try to alter the past, her fate remains the same.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

IMO, I think they're gonna use that one theory where it basically states everything is predetermined. So Hiro is meant to time travel back and that the future is the way it is because he travels back in time. And no matter how he thinks he might be changing it, it always reverts to the way its supposed to be. I think they hinted at that when they had the story with Hiro and that bar waitress. So no matter what he did to try to alter the past, her fate remains the same.

And with storylines involving time travel, that could really close alot of plot holes.

There are so many questions about where a story can go and what can happen with time travel, it almost makes sense to simplify it with the way you suggested. Having fate trump time travel would not only be alot easier to follow, but also would provide an interesting story twist as well.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by skins

I'm so stoked for tonight. I've also completed avoided any previews/spoilers. Also, I think it was the little girl (Molly?) that was hinting at a villain more powerful than Sylar, not the old black dude.

Questions:
- will we be introduced to new heroes?
- when will Sylar return?
- did Peter and Nathan survive the explotion?
- does Parkman survive (was shot by Sylar with mind bullets
- is "the company" dispanded? will Noah continue to work towards doing so?
- what happens to Hiro?

it's gonna be sweet.

It was a nice start that at least touched on all of those plot points.

We've met three new "Heroes".
Sylar will be back (from the preview at the end of the eppisode).
We know Parkman is alive and well, albeit divorced.
The Company seems to be going strong, based on the scenes with Mohinder. Also, Angela Petrelli and Mr. Nakamura's discussion about "The 12" should give some interesting Company related backstory.
Hiro's story looks like it could be fun, though I hope he's not stuck in the past for too long.

I wonder if the flying kid is another one of Nathan's children?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

I wonder if the flying kid is another one of Nathan's children?

Seems unlikely, as for some reason Nathan Patrelli he can fly, Claire's mother can manipulate fire, and yet Claire has neither of those abilities. Seems too disjointed for that to be the case.

Besides, who the hell want's an incestual relationship between him and Claire? BLECH!!!

[Patrick]

Thinking about it today, Nesei's symbol was shwon in fuedal Japan and in Mollys pictures and on the faces of the people who would die in 24 hours.

NOW, Hiro's dad had an important thing to tell him but he was not around and would not tell Ando.

MAYBE, the white guy in Japan is actually the guy in the present (the boogie man) who is killing the group. This could make sense as he was the one wearing the symbol PLUS Hiros' dad said he needed Ando to get hima sword, and the white guy is a sword master. So the fighting would take place in a sowrd battle of course. Also, the white guy may have some sort of power that makes him live longer, hence why Hiro was warped to the past to kill him there or prevent the white guy from gaining a very strong power in the past.