[Rumour] The Athletic: Stars are frontrunners to land E. Karlsson. Ryan not part of the deal.

[Boreal]

I misread the title & thought it said Broke: instead of Brooks:

Then I realized that made more sense.

[GGG]

27-33 is probably the prime age for a defensemen.

So by trading Karlson you get is 28 year old year for low cap hit, his 29-33 years for 11 million where he is market value then 3 years where he is overpaid.

If your primary window is 6 years long then rebuild he is a great add especially if you can do it with futures. Unsigned at the deadline he is getting a 1st and an tier 1 prospect.

If he is signed I think it takes a legitimate established roster player like a Tkachuk to get him without a package. Or the package looks similar but larger than what Hamilton got. A established 3/4 defensemen with upside, An established 2nd line forward, A future tier 1 prospect plus a high draft pick.

Essentially Hamilton plus a 1st for Karlson.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the premise of the thread was based on the value of him with a signed contract.

It would be the new team that does the work in securing his signature. Not something Ottawa is providing, and thus not something to compensate them for.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Other than Crosby, Karlsson is the best player in the league IMO

you can't be serious

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by SebC

It would be the new team that does the work in securing his signature. Not something Ottawa is providing, and thus not something to compensate them for.

What Ottawa is providing is the ability to get that cost certainty before completing the trade. And that, very much, does up the value of Karlsson in a deal.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you can't be serious

Well maybe not 2018 Karlsson and maybe not if McDavid wasn't an Oiler..

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SebC

It would be the new team that does the work in securing his signature. Not something Ottawa is providing, and thus not something to compensate them for.

Ottawa is providing its permission for teams to talk to him, without which they could do it.

If you make the trade prior to signing him, you (1) can only sign him for 7 years, and (2) don't know if he'll sign with you at all.

Ottawa is allowing teams to get the security of knowing that you'll get a signed Karlsson, by allowing them the opportunity of talking contract with him ahead of time. That's a big difference.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you can't be serious

The level he was playing at during their playoff run? Not far off, I would only put McDavid and Crosby ahead of that.


Last year because of the injury there were probably 30 better players, and by all accounts the ankle is still not 100 percent.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by neo45

The level he was playing at during their playoff run? Not far off, I would only put McDavid and Crosby ahead of that.


Last year because of the injury there were probably 30 better players, and by all accounts the ankle is still not 100 percent.

Exactly, to anoint him as the 2nd best player on earth is crazy IMO

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GGG

27-33 is probably the prime age for a defensemen.

So by trading Karlson you get is 28 year old year for low cap hit, his 29-33 years for 11 million where he is market value then 3 years where he is overpaid.

If your primary window is 6 years long then rebuild he is a great add especially if you can do it with futures. Unsigned at the deadline he is getting a 1st and an tier 1 prospect.

If he is signed I think it takes a legitimate established roster player like a Tkachuk to get him without a package. Or the package looks similar but larger than what Hamilton got. A established 3/4 defensemen with upside, An established 2nd line forward, A future tier 1 prospect plus a high draft pick.

Essentially Hamilton plus a 1st for Karlson.

That is prime for a defenseman (meaning defense)

But prime for offense is 23 - 27. And Karlsson isn't a defenseman, he is an offensive star that plays from the point.

I think the absolute best that you could hope for, if acquiring him, would be for him to remain elite offensively for 3 years. And the cost for that is far, far too much. Not to mention that, once the offensive skills start to wane, you essentially have Green at $11M per.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Well maybe not 2018 Karlsson and maybe not if McDavid wasn't an Oiler..

Seem to be forgetting Ovi.

Karlsson is far from being the 2nd best player in the NHL. He's in the top 10 but not top 3.

[sureLoss]

News Update

Chris Stevenson @CJ_Stevenson
NHL source tells The Athletic he thinks Dallas has emerged as front runner for Karlsson and Bobby Ryan will not be part of the deal. No other details.

[sureLoss]

Any stabs at what the Stars are offering? Without taking Ryan back the return must be huge.

[Stud_McCool]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

News Update

Chris Stevenson @CJ_Stevenson
NHL source tells The Athletic he thinks Dallas has emerged as front runner for Karlsson and Bobby Ryan will not be part of the deal. No other details.

Gotta think Klingberg is part of the package going to Ottawa. Otherwise a Karlsson-Klingberg one-two punch would be pretty deadly.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

Gotta think Klingberg is part of the package going to Ottawa. Otherwise a Karlsson-Klingberg one-two punch would be pretty deadly.

Offensively...

Still a team where the only game plan to beat them is: get the puck on net.

[jschick88]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Any stabs at what the Stars are offering? Without taking Ryan back the return must be huge.

Honka is probably one of the players.

[AC]

I'd guess something along 2019 1st, 2020 2nd, Janmark, Devin Shore, and Honka. Maybe Roope Hintz there instead of one of the other pieces.

Don't see Dallas trading Klingberg or Heiskanen. Unless it's a smaller package like Heiskanen and 2019 1st.

[Jbo]

Knew it was likely he was coming out West, so out of the division is best case here

[Geeoff]

Spezza back to Ottawa confirmed!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Honka's probably in there. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Heiskanen was instead, though... that'd go a long way to getting it done.