[PGT] Harvey the Hound and Flames, 3-4 loss vs Jets.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So now it’s not a rebuild in 2025-26 because they made room for Kadri and traded for Huberdeau and Weegar in 2022-23, before the build? Because they traded an old guy in Toffoli for a young guy in Sharangovich in 2023?

No, trading away a first is not part of a rebuild. That’s why it didn’t happen during this rebuild.

Your facts are fine and all, but does it feel like a rebuild? That is the real question.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Perhaps the post wasn't the greatest with regards to lifeless but let's be honest, this isn't a team with much life to them. Sure they outshot and battled somewhat hard but did this come off as a veteran club with a decent cap hit trying to win? People forget that this is not a rebuilding club, this is a team looking to compete despite the standings saying otherwise.

Winnipeg last played at home 2 weeks ago and was coming off a long 6 game road trip. They were and played tired. Flames lost and didn't exactly blew the doors off anybody.

As for Harvey, he is also MIA most home games. Legit rumour that the legal team/insurance premiums of him hanging from the stands, picking up kids, shooting shirts into the crowd got too high and now he's lifeless or neutered so to speak.

Get Harvey back and get rid of the screaming banshee. Harvey brings some talent to the game. The other guy just screams like a flipping idiot!!!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Pretty much the same team as last year.

They are sitting last because their best players are old and now are one year older and they have a serious lack of elite talent.

It’s not like there was an intention of being this bad when the season started.

So they made no effort to improve a team whose best players are all old and seriously lack elite talent but there was no intention to be bad?

Funny

[Vinny01]

It can easily be argued in hindsight the Flames should have packed it in and started the sell off with Tkachuk but that was a different team with a different GM.

Conroy took the job and while he had offers on the table for Lindholm and Hanifin it was not long into that terrible start the Lindholm deal was pulled and the rebuild started. It felt like last year did not go the rebuild path because they were a pretty decent team but we saw a couple of youngsters break out in Wolf and Coronato so there was some light in the tunnel already.

Conroy wasn’t going to be fooled by last season so he stayed the course. This year the team is performing about as expected of not worse. Conroy will continue to make rebuilding type moves as this team trends towards the top of the draft.

[Goriders]

Stick to the recipe

- play hard
- be competitive
- be entertaining
- lose game in the end

Perfect

[SuperMatt18]

The Flames made rebuilding moves up to and including the Mangiapane trade.

Then they didn't make any rebuilding moves in 24-25 for two reasons:

1) They were having a good season and wanted to make the playoffs after a strong start
2) They had no real pressure point on any of their assets that they had to make a deal

Now this is the pressure point again, if they don't make any trades beyond moving Andersson this year then I think the fan base can be annoyed and you can say they aren't willing to actually be proactive and do what's right for the team long term.

I'll give Conroy until the trade deadline this year but if we get passed the trade deadline with Kadri and Coleman on the roster, with rumours for 4 months about how teams would kill to trade for those guys then it's time to really question the organization.

Those guys wanting to be part of the solution or not they need to be moved because there is no chance for a 35 and 34 year old to be part of the solution, age prevents it

[Calgary4LIfe]

Some people will never believe that the Flames are in the middle of a rebuild unless Conroy comes out and says so. Then those people will believe the rebuild is just starting.


Flames have been actively rebuiding for 2 years now. It started when Conroy was promoted. Last season was a team with nothing to lose that started off with an easy schedule, and just willed victory after victory by out-competing teams and playing right on the margins all season long. There were plenty of people last season predicting that they would finish at the bottom of the standings (including myself) and lots of people once again predicted the same thing for this season, and it is because we saw this team as having kick-started a rebuild. I am not trying to pat myself on the back here - I call stuff plenty wrong all the time. I just don't know why people are still adamant that this team is somehow still competing, and that they are going to hang onto all their vets in an effort to squeak into the playoffs.


By the time the deadline comes and goes, I predict that the Flames would have traded more players out for mostly futures than almost any other rebuilding team in the last decade has in a 2-year period. This is not just a rebuild, but a fairly deep one.


It was a great game last night. This is how Conroy wants the team to lose. Good, tough, contested games that promote a good environment and culture for prospects to develop in. I don't think it will last, but that's the 'mission' here with Conroy.

[SutterBrother]

The Flames didn't trade Andersson last year because they believed they were a playoff team. They didn't rebuild and now his value is lower. This hurts the Flames.

With every loss, the illusion that this team might make the playoffs is further squashed.

Apparently that's what is needed for this management group to rebuild.

Once they get a top line center, it will be the start of the 5 year rebuild.

Happy to cheer for losses in the meantime.

[ForeverFlameFan]

We are making most hockey games entertaining, but can't capitalize on the win because of the talent barrier between us and the other team (on most occasions). When we get that offensive talent, we will be a force.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

The Flames didn't trade Andersson last year because they believed they were a playoff team. They didn't rebuild and now his value is lower. This hurts the Flames.

With every loss, the illusion that this team might make the playoffs is further squashed.

Apparently that's what is needed for this management group to rebuild.

Once they get a top line center, it will be the start of the 5 year rebuild.

Happy to cheer for losses in the meantime.

So (not that the rebuild hasn't been started already) finishing last, winning the lottery and drafting McKenna wouldn't be the start of a rebuild to you?

[beaster]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Flames made rebuilding moves up to and including the Mangiapane trade.

Then they didn't make any rebuilding moves in 24-25 for two reasons:

1) They were having a good season and wanted to make the playoffs after a strong start
2) They had no real pressure point on any of their assets that they had to make a deal

Now this is the pressure point again, if they don't make any trades beyond moving Andersson this year then I think the fan base can be annoyed and you can say they aren't willing to actually be proactive and do what's right for the team long term.

I'll give Conroy until the trade deadline this year but if we get passed the trade deadline with Kadri and Coleman on the roster, with rumours for 4 months about how teams would kill to trade for those guys then it's time to really question the organization.

Those guys wanting to be part of the solution or not they need to be moved because there is no chance for a 35 and 34 year old to be part of the solution, age prevents it

Conroy has never, as an assistant GM or Gm ,been a part of a successful rebuild in Calgary since 2004. Not sure he knows how to approach it. Making Backlund the captain was a mistake. A captain leads by example not by seniority.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So (not that the rebuild hasn't been started already) finishing last, winning the lottery and drafting McKenna wouldn't be the start of a rebuild to you?

Clearly the Edmonton Oilers did not start rebuilding until 2015 when they got McDavid, that is just common sense.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So (not that the rebuild hasn't been started already) finishing last, winning the lottery and drafting McKenna wouldn't be the start of a rebuild to you?

I do hope the Flames finally get the chance to draft a #1C. Looks the bottom will fall out in some weaker center drafts unfortunately

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Breakaways are fun.

Penalty shots and shootouts have turned into trick shot competitions. Hockey is a game meant to be played with speed.

And it seems to me (I have no stats, just my own opinion) that players have more success when going full speed on a breakaway. These slow motion shootout things are an absolute atrocity. And they don't appear to be any more effective, and as I said, it seems to me like they're actually less effective.

We need a time limit on shootout attempts I think.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by beaster

Conroy has never, as an assistant GM or Gm ,been a part of a successful rebuild in Calgary since 2004. Not sure he knows how to approach it. Making Backlund the captain was a mistake. A captain leads by example not by seniority.

It’s not like they have other good options

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Great overall game by the Flames - effort and execution. Say what you will about the Flames losing, but they have been playing very well now for the last 10 or so. The only thing lifeless about this team is perhaps the skill-level overall.


I think the Flames could have won this game. Glad that they are playing well at home at least, and giving the fans some reason to cheer. Hope it continues. You don't have to break an all-time losing season in order to draft #1 overall. Enjoy the wins, and enjoy the close games that go in OT like this one. Very enjoyable game overall.

Yeah, I thought the effort was there, as it has been for a while. 3-5-2 in their last 10, and looking more like the team many of us expected - same hustle and structure as last year, but coming back to reality.

This is exactly what I want the team to look like this year: work hard at home, play .500ish and give the fans some entertainment. Then play terrible on the road. Result: bottom 5 finish. And with the parity this year, a bottom 3 finish.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Is John Garrett a bit of a prick? Jon Abbott points out that Dave Lowry is nicknamed "Pi" due to proficiency at math (which is true according to interviews with Craig Conroy and others) and he starts going on about how it's because Lowry has a round face and snidely asking "where'd you get that?" to Jon about the math comment.

Remember, John Garrett doesn't know what Pi is.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

He's genuine surly, always has been. Hates the Flames, too. I like that about him. He's not fake and doesn't suffer fools. When he made fun of Abbot a couple of times, it was warranted.

'They call Dave Lowry, Pi because he loves math.'

'LOL, where did you hear that? I was his team mate. He's called Pie because of his big round pie-shaped face.'

I thought that was awesome.

It was funny. It was also on brand for Garrett. It was also clueless.

All at the same time.

[Igottago]

Whether its deliberate or not, it has to happen. This organization needs this. Maybe it came a little late for some, but just be glad its happening.
I do find it funny that some of the folks that a couple years ago were clutching their pearls about becoming Buffalo and nodding along with the Flames very public retool on the fly commentary, are now shifting their narrative and acting like the flames were planning to bottom out the entire time lol. This was likely never the plan, but it was inevitable. We can all give credit to Conroy for not handcuffing the team and allowing the space for it to happen, but I think he was definitely hoping the mix of vets and new comers would make this team stay competitive.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lmao

Flames run a cap floor team.
Trade every expiring UFA that's worth anything for draft picks.
Sign zero high end free agents.

"Bbbbbbbbbut ThEy trAdeD fOr fRosT aND fAraBeE! theYrE trYiNg tO wiN!"

And then BLAME Frost and Farabee when they don't.

It's gotten to the point where it's comical.

And another rehash of the "Lindholm and Hanifin saved us from ourselves!" argument. Again. Proof that no matter how many times the facts are laid out, there are a percentage of the fanbase that is going to cling to whatever view suits their narrative.