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[Cali Panthers Fan]

I see both sides of the argument.

On one hand, 19 year old rookie defensemen should not expect to play every game...for a variety of reasons. Size, strength, conditioning just on the physical side, but there's the mental side of having decision exhaustion and overthinking every play you make. Hockey at the NHL level needs to be instinctual, and if a guy isn't immediately reacting and trying to think his way through his next move, it's already too late and he's made a mistake, especially as a defenseman.

However...

Sitting the player for too many games in a row may be seen as punishment for not being perfect right away, and then the player grips their stick too tight and overthinks everything again for fear of being benched. There has to be some leeway for young players to make mistakes while they gain experience. Experience is king in the NHL, and players really only get better after having some games/years of experience, so denying real game experience at this level is counter to a young player developing if it goes on too long.


Basically, Parekh should sit for a game every now and then when he looks overwhelmed, but he should be back in the lineup after only 1-2 games off so he can get the experience he so badly needs.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

My view going into the season was that he'd likely play 60-65 games.

He's 19. Playing on the blueline.

And he hasn't been so great that scratching him is a criminal defense.

Are they developing him in the best possible way? No clue.
Are they developing him in the way that think is best? For sure in my mind.

Maybe but I'm not sure I fully agree.

Developing Parehk is surely one of Huska's objectives, but I'm not sure it's his guiding star.

His primary motivation is most likely winning hockey games, especially in a historically bad skid.

I don't think it's that far out to say that maybe these goals occasionally conflict, and one (winning) has taken priority on occasion.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lol, so you are saying every coach in the history of the game knew what they were doing? What a stupid argument.

Blaming Conroy and Huska for mistakes the Flames made 10, 20, 30 years ago is also a stupid argument.

[SuperMatt18]

As long as he plays 50-60 games he's fine IMO.

My bigger worry is what the coach is probably asking him to do when he does play. Sure hammer home defensive zone play and responsibility, but don't try to neuter the natural creativity and risk taking that Parekh plays with.

And my worry is that Huska in no way would want to encourage that type of creativity and risk taking that Parekh will bring.

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I see both sides of the argument.

On one hand, 19 year old rookie defensemen should not expect to play every game...for a variety of reasons. Size, strength, conditioning just on the physical side, but there's the mental side of having decision exhaustion and overthinking every play you make. Hockey at the NHL level needs to be instinctual, and if a guy isn't immediately reacting and trying to think his way through his next move, it's already too late and he's made a mistake, especially as a defenseman.

However...

Sitting the player for too many games in a row may be seen as punishment for not being perfect right away, and then the player grips their stick too tight and overthinks everything again for fear of being benched. There has to be some leeway for young players to make mistakes while they gain experience. Experience is king in the NHL, and players really only get better after having some games/years of experience, so denying real game experience at this level is counter to a young player developing if it goes on too long.


Basically, Parekh should sit for a game every now and then when he looks overwhelmed, but he should be back in the lineup after only 1-2 games off so he can get the experience he so badly needs.

100% this too

Have a plan for games when he should be sitting, or sit him if he has a stretch of games where he is struggling as a whole.

But don't sit him for individual mistakes or for making a mistake by trying to make a play. That is what causes a player to question their instincts, and they need the leeway to take risks and make mistakes.

[dino7c]

Flames dmen have the green light...they are always pinching

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Blaming Conroy and Huska for mistakes the Flames made 10, 20, 30 years ago is also a stupid argument.

That is not even what I said. Buff argued I had not developed any players like that means Huska is good at developing players because he is a coach. By the standard every coach who has coached hockey was great at developing players. It's a dumb argument.

[Badgers Nose]

I just hope the Flames don't embarrass Nazem tonight.

There's been more than a few games this year where only he showed up on time.

Soak in the Naz goodness tonight and for however much longer it lasts.

We gave up our beloved Moneyhands for him, and Naz's strong play these few years helped us heal from that pain. But when Naz is gone, things will get very dark.

The Flames are an absolute mis-shapen freak of an NHL team.Scarier than Frankenstein. Look at the roster without Naz. Yikes.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is not even what I said. Buff argued I had not developed any players like that means Huska is good at developing players because he is a coach. By the standard every coach who has coached hockey was great at developing players. It's a dumb argument.

I was more talking about the "typical Flames" comments...its more like typical hockey market. SJ is doing the same thing with their young dman but they are super shrewd because they win 20 games a year and draft high.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by traptor

Maybe but I'm not sure I fully agree.

Developing Parehk is surely one of Huska's objectives, but I'm not sure it's his guiding star.

His primary motivation is most likely winning hockey games, especially in a historically bad skid.

I don't think it's that far out to say that maybe these goals occasionally conflict, and one (winning) has taken priority on occasion.

Disagree.

Not playing Zayne forces him to stop making stupid mistakes. That helps him develop faster and helps Ryan win games.

Zayne has been DREADFUL so far. It takes some special tinted glasses not to see it.

Earned, never given surely has to include your brightest prospect too, no?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So is Buium, Schaefer is 18, funny how their coaches are letting those guys learn by playing.

Patrick Roy is no great coach. And a 1OA is expected to play 100% off the bat. It's highly unusual when they don't.

And Buium is scoring, but also -11

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Patrick Roy is no great coach. And a 1OA is expected to play 100% off the bat. It's highly unusual when they don't.

And Buium is scoring, but also -11

So do we care if Parekh was -11? We are not winning squat this year, who cares what his +/- is?? Let him learn. Weegar is -12 right now, should he sit?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Patrick Roy is no great coach. And a 1OA is expected to play 100% off the bat. It's highly unusual when they don't.

And Buium is scoring, but also -11

Yeah, right now (and back then for Hutson) they are better at playing NHL hockey. Hence their coaches are playing them.

If they struggled like Zayne, they'd be sitting more too.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah, right now they are better at playing NHL hockey. Hence their coaches are playing them.

If they struggled like Zayne, they'd be sitting more too.

Well it also helps they are getting the green light to play their game in a system that is not stifling offence.

[mogg]

lol this thread. Every player develops differently. It is extremely rare for 19 year old defencemen to jump in and be everyday NHLers right off the hop, especially if they’re roving offensive types. Why do young players opt for college hockey? Fewer games, more gym time (and great facilities). Zayne, being an especially intelligent young person, understands all of this. Staff and management surely communicate this to him. It’s going to be OK. Deep breath.

[dino7c]

not all players are the same and develop at the same rate...duh

we also don't know how any of these players are gonna turn out. Like I said the best dman in the league...and likely ever didn't play until he was 20. Playing good for a month at 19 does not equal a better career than someone who starts later or slower.

Zayne is an even player on the last place team in the league...another guy is a double digit minus on a team that is hoping to contend or at least make the playoffs. Not sure who is developing better to be honest.

[Rhett44]

I don't even think Zayne has been bad. He's had a few turnovers, but you can say that about the whole team.

You can tell his skating and passing are next level compared to most of our players. I feel like if anything he's playing a bit scared to get benched and his offense is being neutered a bit. But I'm assuming his defensive play is improving as a result.

Soon he will be molded perfectly into the Huska system where you take no chances at all and never open it up!

[dino7c]

yeah because Weegar and Ras never take chances or pinch in

[SuperMatt18]

Let's take a look at numbers at 5v5

Parekh:
12:06 TOI/GP
56.9% CF%
55.8% xGF%
66.7% GF% (4 For, 2 Against)
84.5% Offensive Zone Starts

Buium
14:58 TOI
47.3% CF%
43.9% xGF%
29.4% GF% (5 For, 12 Against)
46.9% Offensive Zone Starts

Schaefer
15:35 TOI
52.2% CF%
53.9% xGF%
57.1% GF% (12 For, 9 Against)
51.5% Offensive Zone Starts

I think there is an argument that Parekh is being sheltered too much, Buium is not being sheltered enough, and Schaefer is already just too good.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Zayne is an even player on the last place team in the league...another guy is a double digit minus on a team that is hoping to contend or at least make the playoffs. Not sure who is developing better to be honest.

I'd argue how they are used should be flipped.

Flames as the last place team can probably afford to try Parekh in less sheltered scenarios now. Not every game or that he has to dress every night. But if he is going to dress they can probably afford to have him play a little more of a balanced role with more d-zone starts if they want him to develop that part of his game too.

Wild should probably be sheltering Buium a bit more if they want to take more of a run at the playoffs.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Dickinson in San Jose has played the exact same number of games as Parekh so far this year.

Quennville obviously went to the same idiot coaching school.

Ah, but the Sharks have played one less game, so technically Dickinson has played a higher percentage of his team's games....

[hwy19man]

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