[Trade] Oilers acquire Isaac Howard for Sam O'Rielly

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Upperclassmen means junior or senior, that's not an impressive lost. The upperclass pool won basically every Hobey Baker besides a few (Paul Kariya, Ryan Miller - freshmen). Voting shifted after Gaudreau's win in 2014 as a junior, when he should have won as a sophomore too.

Your list is better flipped to be honest

Freshmen or Sophomores to win the Hobey Baker since 2015
-2015 Jack Eichel F Fr
-2019 Cale Makar D So
-2021 Cole Caufield F So.
-2023 Adam Fantilli F Fr.
-2024 Macklin Celebrini F Fr.

I know which group of players I'm going with.

I believe that's TheScorpion's whole point. Players who win the Hobey Baker as upperclassmen, especially seniors, usually don't amount to much as NHLers.

[TheScorpion]

^ Correct. And I do know what an upperclassman is.

I don't think the obvious implication was that listing Howard next to Gaudette and Vesey was supposed to be flattering to him ...

[jeffman]

Hobey baker winners are pretty hit and miss

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

^ Correct. And I do know what an upperclassman is.

I don't think the obvious implication was that listing Howard next to Gaudette and Vesey was supposed to be flattering to him ...

Yeah, your point was very clear - and valid

[Erick Estrada]

The Oilers have to try anything and everything possible to push McDavid into signing an extension. I don't think this trade moves the needle all that much.

[Inferno]

More tire pumping from Edmonton Hockey Report, errrrr I mean World Hockey Report.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1942766123117862998

[looooob]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

^ Correct. And I do know what an upperclassman is.

I don't think the obvious implication was that listing Howard next to Gaudette and Vesey was supposed to be flattering to him ...

Suniev is about 7 months younger I think than Howard (but was drafted a year later so Suniev is older relative to draft position- if that makes sense). still don't his D+1 and D+2 numbers at least equal if not exceed Howards? I like Suniev as a prospect but is that a fair comparison for player slotting or no?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Inferno

More tire pumping from Edmonton Hockey Report, errrrr I mean World Hockey Report.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1942766123117862998

absolute banger from Oilers Hockey Report

[BaconGuy]

Originally Posted by Inferno

More tire pumping from Edmonton Hockey Report, errrrr I mean World Hockey Report.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1942766123117862998

Cherry picking at center ice! He is going to fit in well with Connor and Leon

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

absolute banger from Oilers Hockey Report

Leaving the zone early and not worrying about a two-way game is exactly what the Coilers are looking for.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by jeffman

Hobey baker winners are pretty hit and miss

The juniors and seniors miss, freshman and sophomore hit.

[Enoch Root]

Didn't World Hockey Report rave about the O'Reilly pick as sheer and utter brilliance, and a stud in the making?

[Tkachukwagon]

Bit of a throw back to the decade and a half of darkness for the Coilers, they are gifting a rookie top 6 and anointing him a 40 goal scorer.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I could get on board with O'Reilly as part of the comp for an Andersson trade to TBL.

Decent sized, two-way RW - would slot in nicely behind Coronato

Agreed.

O'Reilly
2026 2nd round pick
2027 2nd round pick
2028 1st round pick (unprotected)

For
Anderson (50% retained)
1 of Poirier, Kuznetsov, or Soloyov

Would give capped-out TB a RD which they need desperately.
They are still in their window and would likely be able to re-sign him.
Plus gives them some D depth which they also lack in the event of injury or a cup run.

CGY gets a futures package with a potential future 3C, an unprotected first (unprotected as it is so far out), and some 2nd rounders.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by BaconGuy

Cherry picking at center ice! He is going to fit in well with Connor and Leon

I was just thinking the same thing. The Oilers D is going to be real happy with all of the help they are waiting on standing at Center.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Agreed.

O'Reilly
2026 2nd round pick
2027 2nd round pick
2028 1st round pick (unprotected)

For
Anderson (50% retained)
1 of Poirier, Kuznetsov, or Soloyov

Would give capped-out TB a RD which they need desperately.
They are still in their window and would likely be able to re-sign him.
Plus gives them some D depth which they also lack in the event of injury or a cup run.

CGY gets a futures package with a potential future 3C, an unprotected first (unprotected as it is so far out), and some 2nd rounders.

I doubt you get the equivalent of two firsts and two seconds (albeit a late first in O’Reilly) for that package. Don’t think anyone the 3 prospects have much more value than a 3rd/4th round pick.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I believe that's TheScorpion's whole point. Players who win the Hobey Baker as upperclassmen, especially seniors, usually don't amount to much as NHLers.

How many of them have been forced into a top line spot on an opening night lineup in the NHL though. That's key here. Had those other guys had been handed opportunity for 25 minutes a night next to McDavid and full powerplay time we'd be having different opinions of that list.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Upperclassmen to win the Hobey Baker since 2015:

Isaac Howard
Dryden McKay
Scott Perunovich
Adam Gaudette
Will Butcher
Jimmy Vesey

Will Butcher did start off well in the NHL too with 44 points as a rookie but then dropped off the face of the universe. It would be interesting to know what happened

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Inferno

More tire pumping from Edmonton Hockey Report, errrrr I mean World Hockey Report.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1942766123117862998

400 goals and 600 assists for sure.

[The Yen Man]

Former Flames great Corban Knight also won the Hobey Baker if I recall. Didn't really amount to much in the NHL, proving again that younger players who win this thing is the key predictor in whether the player will be impactful in the NHL.