[Trade] Sharks trade 14 + 42 to Buffalo for 11

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Royle9

He's making moves to make his team better long term.
If he views a ledge in the top 12, then trading from 14 to 11 and only giving up a 2nd round pick to do makes sense.

Moves GM's make when they're more focused on quality vs quantity which can be cliché as its used often, but I hope the Flames do something similar to move up from 28 even if its to 20.
Yea he could wait and see how many off the board picks are made, but he's trusting his scouts and likely focused on a certain tier of players they believe to be available and likely one they really want.

I find moves like this show you a GM isn't scared to trust his scouts or make a bold move. Things I wish the Flames did in years past and what Craig can hopefully do to weaponize our CAP space.

Look at their cupboard of prospects coming up here, yea they've sucked but they knew they were going to and instead of trying to salvage it and "compete" they tore it down hoping to rebuild with top tier assets, and its coming.

Celebrini
Will Smith
Musty
Eklund
Bystedt
Edstrom
Luca Cagnoni looks promising on the defensive side.

AH I dunno man, I've been playing this "Look at this list of our awesome prospects" game with Buffalo for a decade and we still suck. I won't call any GM a genius until the product actually succeeds.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Icon

I'd rather just pick at 28 & 41 than only at 20.

Same. I don't think there's enough of a talent gap between 20 and 28 to burn a high 2nd round pick.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

AH I dunno man, I've been playing this "Look at this list of our awesome prospects" game with Buffalo for a decade and we still suck. I won't call any GM a genius until the product actually succeeds.

Who called him a genius?
There’s no denying their prospects aren’t good, I think they were rated 3 or 4th before this years picks… I’d say they jump to 1.

Buffalo sadly messed it up, not all teams do.

If SJS starts selling half their list like Buffalo did then maybe you can compare it.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Who called him a genius?
There’s no denying their prospects aren’t good, I think they were rated 3 or 4th before this years picks… I’d say they jump to 1.

Buffalo sadly messed it up, not all teams do.

If SJS starts selling half their list like Buffalo did then maybe you can compare it.

You did.

Well, you said 'Grier is very smart' -- which I guess is shy of calling him a genius, but in the same wheelhouse.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

You did.

Well, you said 'Grier is very smart' -- which I guess is shy of calling him a genius, but in the same wheelhouse.

Smart = genius? That’s a new one…. Little overzealous I’d say.
Genius would insinuate he’s the smartest man in hockey, and I definitely didn’t say that.

Grasping at straws.

[sureLoss]

On TSN LeBrun says the Flyers made an aggressive pitch for BJ's 4th OA offering 12th OA, a roster player, and next year's first.

The BJs said no.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Flames need more picks, not less.

It depends. Quantity does not equal quality. I would move up for the right players

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

AH I dunno man, I've been playing this "Look at this list of our awesome prospects" game with Buffalo for a decade and we still suck. I won't call any GM a genius until the product actually succeeds.

Agreed, but you don’t win the hockey lottery without some elite tickets.

Nothing is guaranteed, but it’s better than having no elite lottery tickets.

That’s where Calgary currently stands.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It depends. Quantity does not equal quality. I would move up for the right players

I’d happily see the Flames move 41st or the DAL pick (or maybe both?) to jump from 28th to 10-14 range. Could potentially bring in Yakemchuk, Helenius, etc.

[konradical]

Stian Solberg is another guy that could be worth jumping up for in the 14-18 range

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

AH I dunno man, I've been playing this "Look at this list of our awesome prospects" game with Buffalo for a decade and we still suck. I won't call any GM a genius until the product actually succeeds.

Most of your team's "new core" is 24 and under.

Dahlin
Power
Byram
Samuelsson
Benson
Cozens
Peterka
Savoie

This is most of your defence + you don't really have a strong bottom 6. Have to give it time. These players are going to be awesome.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Most of your team's "new core" is 24 and under.

Dahlin
Power
Byram
Samuelsson
Benson
Cozens
Peterka
Savoie

This is most of your defence + you don't really have a strong bottom 6. Have to give it time. These players are going to be awesome.

sure but I think his point might be the last time the Sabres made the playoffs (and I say this respectfully as a Sabres fan since 1976) the Flames hadn't even drafted Johnny Gaudreau yet

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by looooob

sure but I think his point might be the last time the Sabres made the playoffs (and I say this respectfully as a Sabres fan since 1976) the Flames hadn't even drafted Johnny Gaudreau yet

That's a separate case of mismanagement. The fact that the Sabres couldn't turn around the Eichel pick and use that as a launchpad was a travesty. Look at what even the Oilers managed to do with McDingus and Leafs with Matthews.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806396420813164560

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

That's a separate case of mismanagement. The fact that the Sabres couldn't turn around the Eichel pick and use that as a launchpad was a travesty. Look at what even the Oilers managed to do with McDingus and Leafs with Matthews.

That’s his point, though.

Nice to have an awesome list of prospects… but that doesn’t mean you’ll actually do anything with them, so no sense in calling a GM a genius until he actually turns them into something worthwhile.

[Bonded]

Flames aren’t moving up yikes lol

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by looooob

sure but I think his point might be the last time the Sabres made the playoffs (and I say this respectfully as a Sabres fan since 1976) the Flames hadn't even drafted Johnny Gaudreau yet

That’s bonkers. Pegula?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by looooob

sure but I think his point might be the last time the Sabres made the playoffs (and I say this respectfully as a Sabres fan since 1976) the Flames hadn't even drafted Johnny Gaudreau yet

Actually his point seemed to be SJ management can't be called smart because Buffalo also had good prospects and it didn't work out (yet).
It's a very odd point.

[Ped]

SJ also traded Kyle Burroughs to LA for Carl Grundstrom.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806396420813164560

I get playing the averages, but if the scouts love a guy at 11 they think won't be there at 14th, it makes sense to give them that chance to show their worth IMO.

San Jose has had pretty solid drafting all down the line. Not sure who remains there from previous regimes, but if it is long term guys pushing for the 11th, they have earned the benefit of the doubt.