[PGT] Flames lose to Wings 6-2

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by OldMcDonaldHasACup

Kadri: -4
Huberdeau: -4
Dube: -4

These numbers are seriously ridiculous.

Garbage.

4th line is doing everything that these guys should be capable of.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by OldMcDonaldHasACup

Kadri: -4
Huberdeau: -4
Dube: -4

These numbers are seriously ridiculous.

Tremendous username. Bravo.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes he did. Those guys didn't break out until they got to the big club. Go look at all the young players that failed to develop under him. I already said he is a defensive specialist so not sure why you are bringing D men into it.

Mangiapane put up 46P in 39GP under Huska in 2017-18
Hathaway had 19P in 18GP under Huska in 2017-18
Dube had 4P in his first 6GP in the AHL under Huska in 2017-18
Jankowski had 56P in 64GP, in 2016-17 followed by 8P in 6GP in 2017-18
E. Poirier had 42P in 55GP as a rookie in Adirondack under Huska in 2014-15
Baertschi had 25P in 36GP in Adirondack in 2014-15

Lomberg and Jooris were used in the bottom half of the lineup and performed as such.

Which offensive talent in the Flames system am I missing? Klimchuk? Shinkaruk?

[Jason14h]

Stupid Sutter all his fault

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Maybe the red wings are worth adopting. They wear red!

How is it they can play so much faster start to finish while on a back to back with travel?

F u Flames. Clearly its a case of a group of guys just not wanting it enough

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Mangiapane put up 46P in 39GP under Huska in 2017-18
Hathaway had 19P in 18GP under Huska in 2017-18
Dube had 4P in his first 6GP in the AHL under Huska in 2017-18
Jankowski had 56P in 64GP, in 2016-17 followed by 8P in 6GP in 2017-18
E. Poirier had 42P in 55GP as a rookie in Adirondack under Huska in 2014-15
Baertschi had 25P in 36GP in Adirondack in 2014-15

Lomberg and Jooris were used in the bottom half of the lineup and performed as such.

Which offensive talent in the Flames system am I missing? Klimchuk? Shinkaruk?

Well yes those guys but out of those forwards you mentioned how many went on to be impact guys? It isn't hard to put up points in the AHL, that league is full of guys that put up points but never made the show. Hathaway became a useful 4th liner. Dube has topped out so far as a 3rd liner imo. Jankowski who was a 1st round pick with plenty of tools busted. So did Poirier and Baertschi. Lomberg and Jooris developed into what they always were going to be, border line 4th liners. So out of all those players you just mentioned tell me who was developed into an impact player??
Thanks for proving my point.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Not ready to dump on Huska yet. Look what he has to work with. Offence instincts neutered over the last few years in favour of defence defence defence

Huska is probably preaching all the right things for this group. But end of the day he can't pull enthusiasm out of players who won't show it.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Also sucks to see Tanev body pretty much give out on him. Guy hasn't cheated the game ever but you knew it would eventually catch up to him.

At least it's on the last year of his deal.

Easily one of Treliving best singings.

Tanev's been great, but they probably should have sold high on him over the summer. He's been pretty healthy as a Flame, but with the way he plays, that breakdown is always possible.


Hopefully he picks it up.

[keeper34]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Garbage.

4th line is doing everything that these guys should be capable of.

Bench them and we win.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well yes those guys but out of those forwards you mentioned how many went on to be impact guys? It isn't hard to put up points in the AHL, that league is full of guys that put up points but never made the show. Hathaway became a useful 4th liner. Dube has topped out so far as a 3rd liner imo. Jankowski who was a 1st round pick with plenty of tools busted. So did Poirier and Baertschi. Lomberg and Jooris developed into what they always were going to be, border line 4th liners. So out of all those players you just mentioned tell me who was developed into an impact player??
Thanks for proving my point.

You realize that most of our impact players never spent time in the AHL during Huska's 4 years there. Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and even Bennett never went to the AHL.

The obvious impact player is Mangiapane. How many impact forwards came up from the Flames AHL team in the 10 years before, or after Huska? He didn't 'stifle' his forwards offensively in the AHL which is shown by them putting up points.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

You realize that most of our impact players never spent time in the AHL during Huska's 4 years there. Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and even Bennett never went to the AHL.

The obvious impact player is Mangiapane. How many impact forwards came up from the Flames AHL team in the 10 years before, or after Huska? He didn't 'stifle' his forwards offensively in the AHL which is shown by them putting up points.

Ok, you fanboy over the guy. It is good to know that given an empty position on a team looking to compete in the playoffs you would choose Ryan Huska. I think you might be on an island there. Again, all you showed was that he couldn't develop promising young forwards into NHL players.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Overreacting to the first 10 games of the season is always fun

Are there people really pretending this is a 10 game issue?

The team is mediocre at best on paper, have been mediocre for the last 5 years (at least), have started playing mediocre and have a less than mediocre record against a weak schedule.

Do we really need to pretend that we need more time to see what they are? That we haven't had ample amount of evidence to show us that they aren't good enough?

[GirlySports]

Trade Hanifin and Lindholm. Got the millage out of them, don't wait til March.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Not ready to dump on Huska yet. Look what he has to work with. Offence instincts neutered over the last few years in favour of defence defence defence

Oh really, because their defensive game is in the crapper too!!!

[Spurs]

I am not sure Huska is the problem or even a terrible coach but the likelihood that the best coach or a coach who would have answers to the problems this team has just spent the last 5 years as an assistant coach on a team that missed the play-offs roughly as often as they made it with zero play-offs success over that time is pretty low.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Ped

Tanev's been great, but they probably should have sold high on him over the summer. He's been pretty healthy as a Flame, but with the way he plays, that breakdown is always possible.


Hopefully he picks it up.

That's okay, we can trade him in 8 years at the end of his next contract.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by OldMcDonaldHasACup

Kadri: -4
Huberdeau: -4
Dube: -4

These numbers are seriously ridiculous.

They need to seriously start considering scratching some of these guys.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I mean it's pretty simple and it goes back to the years with Iginla as well.

To win in this league you need a truly elite #1 center and defenceman and we have neither.

It's not simple as trading everyone away and rebuilding because without those two key pieces you can rebuild all you want you win do crap all.

Johnny and Tkachuk stay we have the same issue if 1 stays 1 leaves same issue.

We have had some bad luck and we don't bottom out in years like last year when even if it miss Bedard you have 2 guys that could change your franchise.

Unless you get a gift like Tampa with Point or Detroit with Datsyuk.

The team focused on free agency and trades and the draft was just whatever when we had Iginla and that set us back big time.

Towards the end with Treliving picks started to burn a hole in his pocket like cap space did so that set us back.

At least this time around we have decent prospects in our system but without that key element this is what you get.

You don't win with wingers and complimentary centers. You need a stud up the middle.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I edited the thread title.

Between the GT and PGT some pretty embarrassing stuff. It’s game 6.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, you fanboy over the guy. It is good to know that given an empty position on a team looking to compete in the playoffs you would choose Ryan Huska. I think you might be on an island there. Again, all you showed was that he couldn't develop promising young forwards into NHL players.

It's funny you can't think of any forwards then? Ferland maybe? Backlund had 1 game in the AHL. Prust, and Bouma aren't exactly impact players. Ruzicka didn't turn into 1 yet. Before that it would have to be Lombardi probably.

I'm pushing back on an argument I don't agree with. You're simply making a narrative that Huska stifles forwards and offense. I'm saying that's not the case, and gave you my reason as to why... I guess not running for a pitchfork right away and joining the mob makes me a fanboy.