[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Two things are true:

(1) No vaccine has ever had side effects emerge beyond 3 months following a shot
(2) The long term effects are also unknown (but also starting to come out as quite dangerous) for those who have had Covid

What it is, is mitigating risk, protecting others around you and putting an end to this pandemic.

Just to play devils advocate, (1) of these vaccines that have never had side effects emerge beyond 3 months, how many were mRNA vaccines?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Just to play devils advocate, (1) of these vaccines that have never had side effects emerge beyond 3 months, how many were mRNA vaccines?

At least three

[Patek23]

Its probably been touched on but this threads a mess so Ill ask again. What will be considered proof of vaccination?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Its probably been touched on but this threads a mess so Ill ask again. What will be considered proof of vaccination?

You should have received a certificate after your second shot that shows you are fully vaccinates. Take a picture of it and keep it on your phone.

Also you can access your immunization history through the AHS app called MyHealth Records. It takes a few minutes to set up but again shows the dates and types of shots received. It also allows you access to your whole medical history.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Then leave.

Honestly I've had it.

I'm sticking up for my moderating team because people like yourself put them in a tough position of having to fact check everything. This idea, and honestly I see it in every topic on this site, that any one person gets to know what is right and wrong or fact or false information and that others have to act exactly as they wish is getting insane.

I personally think everyone did a great job of proving that a lot of the stuff wasn't true with links that they already had, saving a volunteer from spending hours of their free time reading and searching in order to come to the same conclusion.

We have a great moderation team. Always have. They react quickly to things that are clearly over the line and always will. But expecting swift action in a grey area is not what this site is about.

Honestly a little tired of getting the web site and my character questioned.

Agree with this style of moderation completely.
I just think it's not correct to say it's a grey area.
It's more like I can argue climate change or flat earth or any number or ridiculous claims that are not grey areas either. And my foolishness can easily be debunked.
Calgary Puck is not the arbiter of truth, and without this site I would have no where to go online.
Keep up the great work!

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You should have received a certificate after your second shot that shows you are fully vaccinates. Take a picture of it and keep it on your phone.

Also you can access your immunization history through the AHS app called MyHealth Records. It takes a few minutes to set up but again shows the dates and types of shots received. It also allows you access to your whole medical history.

This is pretty much the same system they're using in BC currently. Also as of September there's going to be a new secure weblink where you can register to specifically access your immunization records and download a copy to your phone.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But neither of these statements are facts. mRNA technology has been around for decades. The vaccine is the first approved, but to say it is new technology completely ignores the work that has been done since the 1980s to get us to this point. As for long term side effects, we can also confidently say that any that would emerge, have emerged. Historically, long-term side effects show up within the first couple of months and there is nothing special about mRNA vaccines that would make them any different. People have had the vaccine for well over a year now. If it were to occur, even in rare circumstances, we would know about it.

Sorry, I disagree that there are “valid opinions on both sides.” There aren’t. Even suggesting people who refuse to get the vaccine have valid opinions is stupid, and you ought to know better. There is no valid reason for those who can get the vaccine, not to. It’s as simple as that. And the more you baby these people the longer they believe they’re special and valid.

First of all, the fact that the technology has been in development for many years is irrelevant. Here are a couple of potential issues as an example that may be possible areas of concern with an mRNA vaccine. Firstly, they use a nanolipid capsid of sorts to encase the mRNA(not used in traditional vaccines). Since nanolipids are not created endogenously in the human body it is entirely unknowable what the long term effects of having these injected into the human body are.

Secondly, the behaviour of these nanolipids as vectors for the mRNA are not fully known either, there is evidence to suggest that they carry the mRNA into more tissues than a traditional vaccine would.

Full disclosure, I have received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, and I have encouraged others to do so. However, I cannot in good conscience sit here and say that everyone should be forced to get this vaccine or be stripped of their ability to have a livelihood. It simply isn't the case that all opposing opinions are wrong - there are valid reasons for people to be hesitant about this vaccine technology which is being used on the general public for the first time. In fact, there are several scientists who are unsure of the mRNA vaccines - mainly because it is technically impossible to be certain of their long term safety at this time.

I agree that the likelihood of these vaccines having negative long term effects that are worse than COVID is very low. My point is, it is not zero - that is a fact. And I am uncomfortable with the government forcing people who are uncomfortable with these risks to inject something into their bodies.

Don't tell me I ought to know better, it is incredibly condescending - I have a degree in biology and am very capable of reading and digesting scientific literature.

Edit: I would be for this mandate if all the vaccines were readily available (both mRNA and traditional viral vector(AstraZeneca, J&J) - so that people could have the choice of vaccines that are absolutely proven to be safe in the long term, and those that haven't.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I don't think that is governing 101, there are some obvious flaws in that logic (private business can't send dissidents to the Gulag, for example). I struggle with allowing the government to mandate something like this, even though I agree with the premise that everyone should be vaccinated. The fact is, mRNA vaccine technology is new, the long term effects are unknown and can't be known at this time. People have different risk tolerances and if I were to put myself in the shoes of someone who is hesitant to take this particular vaccine because they are unsure of the technology, I would definitely feel like my rights were being violated... I guess I don't see the argument as simply idiot anti-vaxxers on one side (trust me, I know there are plenty of those) vs. Righteous vaxxers on the other... lots of valid opinions out there.

lots of opinions, but I don't know about most of them being valid.

I don't support anyone being hesitant because they are unsure of the technology.
they're unsure because they're not experts in the field. likely if the science was explained to them, 99.9%of them still wouldn't understand it.

at a certain point you have to trust the people who are experts and have dedicated their entire professional careers to this.

they didn't just pull some random vaccine out of their asses. even people who have degrees or even are doctors in other fields. They're not experts all of a sudden on this topic after a few hours ofstudy.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Then leave.

Honestly I've had it.

I'm sticking up for my moderating team because people like yourself put them in a tough position of having to fact check everything. This idea, and honestly I see it in every topic on this site, that any one person gets to know what is right and wrong or fact or false information and that others have to act exactly as they wish is getting insane.

I personally think everyone did a great job of proving that a lot of the stuff wasn't true with links that they already had, saving a volunteer from spending hours of their free time reading and searching in order to come to the same conclusion.

We have a great moderation team. Always have. They react quickly to things that are clearly over the line and always will. But expecting swift action in a grey area is not what this site is about.

Honestly a little tired of getting the web site and my character questioned.

Well said.

Its your sandbox and we are just here being allowed to play in it.

i think you should bounce every asshat that questions how you run it. Its no one elses business...this is a PRIVATE entity that follows your rules or can get the eff out. Kind of like the argument so many of them have against the AV gang and their ability to attend hockey games.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At least three

Which 3? Pfizer Moderna aaand...?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Yeah I have more than just Colitis, and I also have had to deal with blood clots a few times. I'm not going to divulge my full medical history but yeah I REALLY want the vaccine, but only when my doc says I am good to go. No need to put me into the hospital when so many others will need those beds.

Sorry man, that sucks. Makes it even more frustrating when people come here saying they aren't vaccinated, but could easily get it to help protect you and others. Really pure selfishness. It's not just them it affects. Maybe one day they'll clue in.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Agree with this style of moderation completely.
I just think it's not correct to say it's a grey area.
It's more like I can argue climate change or flat earth or any number or ridiculous claims that are not grey areas either. And my foolishness can easily be debunked.
Calgary Puck is not the arbiter of truth, and without this site I would have no where to go online.
Keep up the great work!

I personally don't think it's a gray area ... but every single link and statement is on it's own something that needs to be looked into if the masses want it moderated that tightly.

Some comments might be true, but incomplete.
Some might be true a few months ago but proven wrong more recently.

I'm just saying throwing out a racist comment doesn't require any research or a judgement call. You just delete it and ban the person.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Well said.

Its your sandbox and we are just here being allowed to play in it.

i think you should bounce every asshat that questions how you run it. Its no one elses business...this is a PRIVATE entity that follows your rules or can get the eff out. Kind of like the argument so many of them have against the AV gang and their ability to attend hockey games.

I'll even give refunds for their membership dues! .... oh wait.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Well said.

Its your sandbox and we are just here being allowed to play in it.

i think you should bounce every asshat that questions how you run it. Its no one elses business...this is a PRIVATE entity that follows your rules or can get the eff out. Kind of like the argument so many of them have against the AV gang and their ability to attend hockey games.

Calgarypuck is a right and not a privilege! Private businesses can't choose who to ban. I will tell the government on you if you ban me from Calgarypuck.

Also - The government can't tell me what to do! I have rights! They need to mind their own business!

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Right or wrong its helping add fuel to their fire, and it is clear even 90%+ vaccination isn't going to stop variant breakthroughs. But luckily, unvaxxed are the ones taking the risk, if you're vaccinated the 'real' risk is gone (death/serious complications). Sure you can contract it but the breakthrough death rates are laughably lower compared to many other common diseases we do not take this approach on.

Real risk may be gone for most of us, but it still doesn't prevent some antivax degenerate from passing the disease on to someone who eventually passes it to someone who is immune compromised or elderly person who has a breakthrough infection and dies. It also doesn't stop the hospitals from filling up with antivax degenerates who then plug up the ER and delay non-essential surgeries, which effect everyone, especially vulnerable people. It also doesn't stop life being miserable for doctors, nurses, teachers, front line workers while this continues to roll along much more than it should be right now. Unless you have a condition people need to stop being jerks and get the shot. End of story. There is no grey area.

Always amusing that many antivax degenerates that I'm aware of are so concerned with putting this vaccine in their bodies. For some reason they have no issue popping Sudafed, Advil or drinking and smoking, rarely being active etc. Your body is a temple that can't be compromised by a harmless vaccine though.

[EldrickOnIce]

And besides, if I didn't have Cali or Pepsi to rely on for succinctly and perfectly crafting the perfect response/rebuttal to - well, anything - I'd be pretty lost.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Real risk may be gone for most of us, but it still doesn't prevent some antivax degenerate from passing the disease on to someone who eventually passes it to someone who is immune compromised or elderly person who has a breakthrough infection and dies. It also doesn't stop the hospitals from filling up with antivax degenerates who then plug up the ER and delay non-essential surgeries, which effect everyone, especially vulnerable people. It also doesn't stop life being miserable for doctors, nurses, teachers, front line workers while this continues to roll along much more than it should be right now. Unless you have a condition people need to stop being jerks and get the shot. End of story. There is no grey area.

Always amusing that many antivax degenerates that I'm aware of are so concerned with putting this vaccine in their bodies. For some reason they have no issue popping Sudafed, Advil or drinking and smoking, rarely being active etc. Your body is a temple that can't be compromised by a harmless vaccine though.

Or a horse dewormer (Ivermectin).

[transplant99]

Pretty good analogy here as seen on twitter...

The vaccine is so if you get Covid your body’s gone through a fight camp and is now ready for the main event. Not getting it is like showing up with no training. Huge chance you’ll lose.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pretty good analogy here as seen on twitter...

That's actually a bad analogy, implies getting Covid will kill or hospitalize you, if by huge chance you mean less than a percent.
Once again just playing devil's advocate, if you are going to try and convince anti-vaxxers to change their mind you have to have bulletproof points and then you'll still need a miracle.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Or a horse dewormer (Ivermectin).

Although it sounds dumb when you put it that way, there is actually very promising work going on with Ivermectin as it pertains to Covid - https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx

There have been some conflicting studies, but the research is ongoing and actually looks fairly positive.