[Rumour] Flames, Canucks, and Oilers are believed to be frontrunners for Zach Hyman

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I look at Schwartz before Hyman, IMO.

What don’t you like about Hyman? Is it strictly the rumoured contract demands, or the player himself?

I think there’s a lot to like about the player…just not for 6 or 7 years and not at $6M.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What don’t you like about Hyman? Is it strictly the rumoured contract demands, or the player himself?

I think there’s a lot to like about the player…just not for 6 or 7 years and not at $6M.

Or maybe Schwartz is just better. He's had 50+ point 5 times (some of those seasons were nearly a point per game).
Hyman has never had more than 41 points. They're almost exactly the same age (Schwartz is younger) and they're both injury prone.

Schwartz also had 20 points in 26 games to win a cup. He arguably drives his line moreso than he relies on his line mates. Schenn benefitted from playing with him. It wasn't the other way around. Hyman had only 1 point in 7 playoff games this year. Career wise, he's not even half as productive as Schwartz in the playoffs.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Or maybe Schwartz is just better. He's had 50+ point 5 times (some of those seasons were nearly a point per game).
Hyman has never had more than 41 points. They're almost exactly the same age (Schwartz is younger) and they're both injury prone.

Schwartz also had 20 points in 26 games to win a cup. He arguably drives his line moreso than he relies on his line mates. Schenn benefitted from playing with him. It wasn't the other way around. Hyman had only 1 point in 7 playoff games this year. Career wise, he's not even half as productive as Schwartz in the playoffs.

Plus think of the SpaceBalls PGT gif potential.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Plus think of the SpaceBalls PGT gif potential.

That is reason enough right there.

May the Schwartz be with us.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Or maybe Schwartz is just better. He's had 50+ point 5 times (some of those seasons were nearly a point per game).
Hyman has never had more than 41 points. They're almost exactly the same age (Schwartz is younger) and they're both injury prone.

Schwartz also had 20 points in 26 games to win a cup. He arguably drives his line moreso than he relies on his line mates. Schenn benefitted from playing with him. It wasn't the other way around. Hyman had only 1 point in 7 playoff games this year. Career wise, he's not even half as productive as Schwartz in the playoffs.

Yup, I hope the Flames stay away from Hyman.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Or maybe Schwartz is just better. He's had 50+ point 5 times (some of those seasons were nearly a point per game).
Hyman has never had more than 41 points. They're almost exactly the same age (Schwartz is younger) and they're both injury prone.

Schwartz also had 20 points in 26 games to win a cup. He arguably drives his line moreso than he relies on his line mates. Schenn benefitted from playing with him. It wasn't the other way around. Hyman had only 1 point in 7 playoff games this year. Career wise, he's not even half as productive as Schwartz in the playoffs.

They are both players that are likely to slow down in their 30's due to their style of play. I would pass on both as it seems like this is a case of a weak free agency class and a lot of needy teams. Looks like the 2016 free agency class all over again as this will be one we look at where a lot of teams cripple themselves with some bad contracts.

[1qqaaz]

I still think the best course of action is to wait a month (or at least a few weeks) into free agency, and then see who is still available.

Are guys like Haula, Zajac, Brassard, Perreault, Janmark, Dzingel or Bozak still unsigned? If so, just sign some of them for pennies on the dollar. And I really mean pennies. And short term. Low risk. Keep the cap flexibility for next year.

These guys may be washed up, but they would produce more on the bottom lines than players like Nordstrom, Rinaldo and Simon ever would. Several of them could play on the middle lines if it worked.

The league has a lot of parity. Games are close. The Flames struggle to score goals. If the third and fourth lines can actually chip in while not being overpaid, that could make a big difference. Heck, re-sign Ryan, since he's basically one of those guys.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I still think the best course of action is to wait a month (or at least a few weeks) into free agency, and then see who is still available.

Are guys like Haula, Zajac, Brassard, Perreault, Janmark, Dzingel or Bozak still unsigned? If so, just sign some of them for pennies on the dollar. And I really mean pennies. And short term. Low risk. Keep the cap flexibility for next year.

These guys may be washed up, but they would produce more on the bottom lines than players like Nordstrom, Rinaldo and Simon ever would. Several of them could play on the middle lines if it worked.

The league has a lot of parity. Games are close. The Flames struggle to score goals. If the third and fourth lines can actually chip in while not being overpaid, that could make a big difference. Heck, re-sign Ryan, since he's basically one of those guys.

The Flames followed the pennies on the dollar strategy last year with Simon, Nordstrom, Lievo. Either a huge flaw in professional scouting and evaluation or Calgary is not a destination for penny on the dollar players.

They did better on PTO in the past with Rieder and Versteeg. With real training camp and exhibition games maybe the bottom of the line up does not have to be set in the summer. Might be a chance for Pelletier, Zary, or Gadwin to show they belong ahead of other teams failed projects.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames followed the pennies on the dollar strategy last year with Simon, Nordstrom, Lievo. Either a huge flaw in professional scouting and evaluation or Calgary is not a destination for penny on the dollar players.

They did better on PTO in the past with Rieder and Versteeg. With real training camp and exhibition games maybe the bottom of the line up does not have to be set in the summer. Might be a chance for Pelletier, Zary, or Gadwin to show they belong ahead of other teams failed projects.

Pretty much everyone I just listed has had 40+ point seasons. How many times have Simon, Nordstrom, Rinaldo and Leivo had 40+ point seasons?

And yes, do more signings like the Versteeg Rieder signings. Those were fine.

I do agree with your last point though. The development of Pelletier, Zary, and guys like that should be a priority.

[sureLoss]

Yeah the Flames are not getting Landeskog

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416038684403638278

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416040946517561346

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Ooohhh...the Panthers fan in me is very intrigued at Landeskog. Another key leadership piece with skill could take them over the top.

[TheIronMaiden]

I'd give him 9m for two years. But if any team wants to give him term at that number are going to regret it.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ooohhh...the Panthers fan in me is very intrigued at Landeskog. Another key leadership piece with skill could take them over the top.

Yeah but at 9-10m a season? That's insane.

[bdubbs]

Love Landeskog but 9-10 mill a season is a non-starter. He's not that player.

[MrMike]

It’s just a high ask. I think he’ll get 7 x 8mill

[Hackey]

God I hope Flames don't go and give Hyman a huge contract.

[FlamesAddiction]

Yeah, I would be over the moon with Landeskog on the Flames, but I was thinking $7.5 million on a long term deal, or between $8 and $8.5 million on a shorter term deal. Good for him if he gets more from another team. I think he is quite possibly the best mix of physical play and offence out of any winger in the league, so it’s quite possible a team pays what he is asking. Is Strickland pretty reliable?

I am also wondering how many of those teams have that kind of cap space to dedicate to one player.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MrMike

It’s just a high ask. I think he’ll get 7 x 8mill

Yeah, I would guess 7 x $8.5, but something in that neighborhood.

Anyone that thinks he will leave Colorado for $7M per is crazy.

And if Calgary wants him, they probably have to up it to about $9M (and have none of the desired teams come close to that).

I imagine Schwartz gets $8M per as well.

That's why Hyman doesn't look bad.

[FlamesAddiction]

It’s worth mentioning that there are more than 50 players that have cap hits of $6.5 million or higher. I think Landeskog’s value on ice relative to that is in the top 30 players at the very least, so $8 million+ per year isn’t crazy in comparison.

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly I'd rather look for a forward with shorter term that a team maybe looking to move to open up cap space as more of a cap dump.

Zucker - 2 x $5.5M (29 years old)
Kadri - 1 x $4.5M (30 years old)
Palat - 1 x $5.3 (30 years old)
Kerfoot - 2 x $3.5M (26 years old)
JVR - 2 x $7M (32 years old - could probably get some salary retention)
Domi - 1 x $5.3M (26 years old)

All of these guys have popped up in a rumor around maybe being moved on the cheap this offseason. I'd rather take a look at one of these guys that have 1 or 2 years left on their deals as a cap dump, than go give Hyman or Schwartz a 6+ year deal.