[Trade] Jets trade Laine (26% retained) and Roslovic to Columbus for PLD and 2022 3rd

[DomeFoam]

Anyway, it doesn't all come down to stats when its really the intangibles of the player at our #1 centre position that needs changing, such as using your stature to your advantage, being hard to play against, driving the play.

Even if Dubois is not all these things, its different and shakes up a soft top line. Monahan is not hard to play against and honestly Dubois becoming available is the situation this forum dreamed of after get eliminated last playoffs saying "you're not gunna get a top young centre unless you draft them", "young centres don't grow on trees". Well now one is available and now the price is too high or he's a brat.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

This thread is moving fast, but is PLD that much better than Monahan that we would pay Johnny + 1st or Monahan +1st?

I’d pay that for Barkov type player. Not PLD type player imo.

I think it’s debatable PLD is better than Monahan.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Anyway, it doesn't all come down to stats when its really the intangibles of the player at our #1 centre position that needs changing, such as using your stature to your advantage, being hard to play against, driving the play.

Even if Dubois is not all these things, its different and shakes up a soft top line. Monahan is not hard to play against and honestly Dubois becoming available is the situation this forum dreamed of after get eliminated last playoffs saying "you're not gunna get a top young centre unless you draft them", "young centres don't grow on trees". Well now one is available and now the price is too high or he's a brat.

Oh it's mostly the Monahan fanbois who seem to believe Monahan is suddenly going to become a complete player and have complete blinders on about how easy he is to play against.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think it’s debatable PLD is better than Monahan.

I’d say odds are about one third each that he could be better, the same, or not as good.

What’s that worth?

[Gaskal]

I think Tre is just driving the price up, nothing more. It'll go to another team and the price will be so ridiculous that the equivalent package from the Flames would cause us all to projectile vomit.

Either that or we get him for pennies on the dollar.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Oh it's mostly the Monahan fanbois who seem to believe Monahan is suddenly going to become a complete player and have complete blinders on about how easy he is to play against.

Using this he term "fanbois" as a swipe at the not-insignificant number of board members who do not see things your way is certainly not doing you any favours.

Sean Monahan is a very good player.

[Strange Brew]

To put it another way, Dubois is same birth year as Valimaki and Dube. Does anyone think either player is anywhere close to their full potential?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

To put it another way, Dubois is same birth year as Valimaki and Dube. Does anyone think either player is anywhere close to their full potential?

I don't think anyone doubts that Dubois has room to grow, but I think there are legitimate questions about how good he is and how good he can become. Monahan had two +60-points/ +25-goals season by the time he was Dubois's age. It is reasonable to question whether he is actually a better player than Monahan.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Oh it's mostly the Monahan fanbois who seem to believe Monahan is suddenly going to become a complete player and have complete blinders on about how easy he is to play against.

Lets be honest, you Monahan haters are just as annoying.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Value is one thing, but it would be a shame if we never saw what Gaudreau looked like playing with a center that drives possession because we traded him for one.

This needs to go away, no center who plays with Johnny is going "to drive the play". Gaudreau needs the puck on his stick or he is useless. It is amazing to watch all the gymnastics people pull to put everything on Monahan and basically give Johnny a pass.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Monahan, Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Wolf, Valimaki, 2 x 1st’s, and $50 million.

Calgary Flames to Columbus for PLD and Tortorella.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1352780385583824897

Lol dreger. Teams notified being out? This is not a ufa July 1st signing. No chance Columbus gm tells another team they are out . He would tell them up your ante .

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't think anyone doubts that Dubois has room to grow, but I think there are legitimate questions about how good he is and how good he can become. Monahan had two +60-points/ +25-goals season by the time he was Dubois's age. It is reasonable to question whether he is actually a better player than Monahan.

Is, or will be? I’m willing to bet he will be. And not just based on offense.

But like I said earlier, we know what this forward group can accomplish when games get difficult so I don’t see a deal like this as too big a risk. Maybe there are better players to target but I have a hard time thinking of any.

[sureLoss]

News Update

Friedman update:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...cks-sportsnet/

One day after Pierre-Luc Dubois’s benching became the talk of the NHL, Columbus Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen aggressively pursued trading his unhappy centre — with the belief a trade could come as soon as Saturday morning.

According to multiple sources, the Winnipeg Jets’ package includes two players of their own who have requested trades — Patrik Laine and Jack Roslovic (Roslovic, who is unsigned, is a Columbus native). Anaheim is believed to have significantly increased its offer. Calgary and Montreal are among the other interested parties, and there are undoubtedly more. (As I write this, it is not believed the Canadiens are willing to include Nick Suzuki, although what’s true now might not be true 10 minutes from now.)

The Blue Jackets host Tampa Bay on Saturday afternoon, but, even if a move is not completed, Dubois is not expected to be in the lineup.

[SuperMatt18]

Laine and Roslovic feels like too much to me.

The deal would be bigger and Another piece would be going back with Dubois in that scenario IMO.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

News Update

Friedman update:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...cks-sportsnet/

Flames still in it. What package from us is better than Laine + Roslovic?

[JurassicTunga12]

Don't think we can beat the Laine + Roslovic offer unless CBJ really wants a center back.

[Owee18]

If Winnipeg in offering that then let them have him. The only way PLD will benefit us is if we get him to bolster a team with Mony and Jonny. Not losing one as it will really only be a lateral move.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Flames still in it. What package from us is better than Laine + Roslovic?

Depends what it's for. The Jets package you're talking about will have to have more coming back from Columbus, maybe a pretty massive trade.

If the Flames just want PLD it wouldn't be as much as Laine/Roslovic.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Laine and Roslovic feels like too much to me.

The deal would be bigger and Another piece would be going back with Dubois in that scenario IMO.

It feels like too much, but if the Laine rumours are true, then its 2 players who want a change of scenery + a significant add from Winnipeg. Winnipeg gets the more coveted player positionally but Columbus wins "in the now".