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Aarongavey · 10-01-2020, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Is adding OEL not cap suicide by Vancouver? Hughes, Petterson and Demko all RFA next off season, adding that contract is nuts.

But the Canucks are so close to winning a Cup, I say go all in. Sutter, a couple prospects and their 2021 first rounder for OEL and Dvorak.

Yoho · 10-01-2020, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

But the Canucks are so close to winning a Cup, I say go all in. Sutter, a couple prospects and their 2021 first rounder for ORL and Dvorak.

Dallas just lucked out stealing their SC birth.

MrMike · 10-01-2020, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why, yes. Yes, it is.

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Probably try to get them on bridge contracts and hope the cap rises substantially in a few 3-4 years.

midniteowl · 10-01-2020, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Bennett and a 1st is a steal for the flames that’s for sure

1qqaaz · 10-01-2020, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Owen15

All this to’ing and fro’ing on goaltenders has made me dizzy.

Is this why we have had such a challenge solving the position in any meaningful way in 8 years? Because there’s really only like maybe 1 goalie who year in year out performs reasonably consistently (Carey Price)?

Price isn't even top 10 in the league in career save percentage. In the last 3 years, he's only around 91.3%. He makes 10.5 mill until 2026 when he's 39.

Rask, Bishop, Vasilevski, Lehner, and Gibson normally put up better numbers than Price. Bishop, Lehner, Khudobin and Kuemper have even managed to do it while being on multiple different teams.
I'll give credit to Price for being durable. And he has had a few extremely good years.

But he's not a top 5 goalie in the league anymore. The days of Price, Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne and Miller being the best are over. It seems like the position has suddenly become a lot younger, at least at the high end.

Blaster86 · 10-01-2020, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Is adding OEL not cap suicide by Vancouver? Hughes, Petterson and Demko all RFA next off season, adding that contract is nuts.

Correct.

The only way I will be even remotely okay with this deal is if they take eriksson, what ever b level prospect we offer and virtanen while eating 50% of the contract. Anything less and I want nothing to do with it, send him to Boston.

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Originally Posted by MrMike

Probably try to get them on bridge contracts and hope the cap rises substantially in a few 3-4 years.

Likely what is going to happen.

Harry Lime · 10-01-2020, 09:38 PM

There is a lot of value in producing consistently. The stats show this in the players that you mentioned. Another skill that is overlooked and not easily quantifiable is the outright stealing of a game. Price is excellent at this.

dino7c · 10-01-2020, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Price isn't even top 10 in the league in career save percentage. In the last 3 years, he's only around 91.3%. He makes 10.5 mill until 2026 when he's 39.

Rask, Bishop, Vasilevski, Lehner, and Gibson normally put up better numbers than Price. Bishop, Lehner, Khudobin and Kuemper have even managed to do it while being on multiple different teams.
I'll give credit to Price for being durable. And he has had a few extremely good years.

But he's not a top 5 goalie in the league anymore. The days of Price, Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne and Miller being the best are over. It seems like the position has suddenly become a lot younger, at least at the high end.

With goalies though you have to factor in the team though...who would have good numbers in Montreal?

stang · 10-01-2020, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm drawing a blank on BSM . . . Buffy St. Marie?

Close enough

Derek Sutton · 10-01-2020, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

Probably try to get them on bridge contracts and hope the cap rises substantially in a few 3-4 years.

Whatever their next contracts are, they have to be more then OEL’s. For a teams that has drafted so well, they’ve sure made some awful signings and piss poor trades. I hope they take on OEL and are handcuffed for years with that boat anchor of a contract.

sureLoss · 10-01-2020, 10:40 PM

Sounds like the Canucks are balking at the price for OEL

Irfaan Gaffar @irfgaffar
Sounds like the asking price for OEL may be a little steep for the #Canucks at this point. Doesn’t mean they are out, but there is a gap, for sure. Gotta think all parties involved including if BOS is still interested would want this done pretty quick.

AC · 10-01-2020, 10:41 PM

I don't get the Boston rumour.

Aren't they unable to afford Krug? OEL doesn't make a lot of sense instead, does he? I can't imagine they're in a position to dump a lot of salary via a trade that they couldn't do in order to simply keep Krug.

dino7c · 10-01-2020, 10:44 PM

Benning is still an idiot...his team sucking and then him picking the best ranked player with his top 10 draft pick doesn't suddenly make him a genius. In fact he botched one of the drafts and was lucky the other two worked out so well.

Losing their MVP to pick up a way overpaid Dman for 7 years seems about right

Barca · 10-01-2020, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Sounds like the Canucks are balking at the price for OEL

Irfaan Gaffar @irfgaffar
Sounds like the asking price for OEL may be a little steep for the #Canucks at this point. Doesn’t mean they are out, but there is a gap, for sure. Gotta think all parties involved including if BOS is still interested would want this done pretty quick.

JB must be lowballing knowing that OEL only wants to go to Vancouver

Blaster86 · 10-01-2020, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

JB must be lowballing knowing that OEL only wants to go to Vancouver

If he is doing anything else, fire him.

Sandman · 10-01-2020, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

I don't get the Boston rumour.

Aren't they unable to afford Krug? OEL doesn't make a lot of sense instead, does he? I can't imagine they're in a position to dump a lot of salary via a trade that they couldn't do in order to simply keep Krug.

I would take Krug over OEL, even if they made equal pay...

Barca · 10-01-2020, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

I would take Krug over OEL, even if they made equal pay...

LOL i wonder why??

actually there's a poll on hfboards right now on who they'd rather have.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...-krug.2781967/

Sandman · 10-01-2020, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

I would take Krug over OEL, even if they made equal pay...

Krug is tenacious, plays well in all 3 zones, and puts up 50-60 pts/year. Yeah, OEL is a lot bigger, but it's not like he's that imposing.

blender · 10-01-2020, 11:14 PM

Is it possible that NHL pro scouts/GMs rate OEL far better than most commentators here?

Honest question. Not trying to shade anyone here for their opinion and don't really know enough about the player, but do teams see him as a Hedman, Pietrangelo, type in the right environment?

Sandman · 10-01-2020, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blender

Is it possible that NHL pro scouts/GMs rate OEL far better than most commentators here?

Honest question. Not trying to shade anyone here for their opinion and don't really know enough about the player, but do teams see him as a Hedman, Pietrangelo, type in the right environment?

I think that OEL is a very good player, just not close to earning that contract-and I think scouts and GMs would agree.